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WCReplays & SK Gaming Warcraft III World Rankings
Mid-January

That's right everyone, January has come and gone, meaning that the second edition of the WCReplays & SK Gaming Warcraft III World Rankings has been completed. 19 Judges took part in the ranking of the top Warcraft III players in the world under 3 categories - the World, Europe, and Asia.

The judges are mainly team leaders and known league admins, but do not include players themselves. This is to minimize any bias created by players towards a specific race or teammate. Each judge ranked 10 players (in our last ranking, they only ranked 5) in each of the three categories based on results, game play, and overall skill. The number one ranked player receives 10 points, second ranked picked receiving 9 points, third ranked player receiving 8 points etc.

Please remember that neither SK Gaming nor WCReplays.com is responsible for the results of the rankings, as they are calculated from all the votes of the judges (a list of judges will be provided later on in the feature). And now, on to the rankings!



World Ranking

Oct 05 Ranking

1. 4K^Grubby
Name: Manuel Schenkhuizen
Race: Orc
Location: Netherlands
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 172


2. T.MH]Moon
Name: Jang Jaeho
Race: Night Elf
Location: South Korea
Team: mYm.Hanbit

Points: 160
3. WE.Sweet
Name: Jung Hee Chun
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: World Elite

Points: 116


4. 4K^FoV
Name: Dae Hee Cho
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 99
5. WE.Sky
Name: XiaoFeng Li
Race: Human
Location: China
Team: World Elite

Points: 98


6. T.MH]Lucifer
Name: JaeWook Ro
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: mYm.Hanbit

Points: 95
7. 4K^ToD
Name: Yoan Merlo
Race: Human
Location: France
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 54


8. NiP-GoStop
Name: Dong Moon
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: NiP Gaming

Points: 53
9. SK.Deadman
Name: Andrey Sobolev
Race: Night Elf
Location: Russia
Team: SK Gaming

Points: 43


10. WE.Check
Name: Hyung-Ju Lee
Race: NightElf
Location: South Korea
Team: World Elite

Points: 40




Honourable Mentions

    11. SK.Zacard - 33 Points
    12. NiP-FarSeer - 17 Points
    13. SK.ElakeDuck - 9 Points
    14-15. mouz.Shortround - 8 Points
    14-15. SK.HoT - 8 Points
    16. mouz.SaSe - 6 Points
    17-18. WE.ReMiND - 4 Points
    17-18. mouz.Spell - 4 Points
    19. T.MH]Susiria - 3 Points
    20. Play.HomeRunBall - 2 Points
    21. wNv.xiaOt - 1 Point

European Ranking

Oct 05 Ranking

1. 4K^Grubby
Name: Manuel Schenkhuizen
Race: Orc
Location: Netherlands
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 190


2. 4K^ToD
Name: Yoan Merlo
Race: Human
Location: France
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 165
3. SK.Deadman
Name: Andrey Sobolev
Race: Night Elf
Location: Russia
Team: SK Gaming

Points: 144


4. mouz.SaSe
Name: Kim Hammar
Race: Night Elf
Location: Sweden
Team: Mousesports.BenQ.GeiL

Points: 104
5. SK.ElakeDuck
Name: Björn Ödman
Race: Orc
Location: Sweden
Team: SK Gaming

Points: 90


6. SK.HoT
Name: Mykhaylo Novopashyn
Race: NightElf
Location: Ukraine
Team: SK Gaming

Points: 83
7. fnatic.WinneR
Name: Gediminas Rimkus
Race: Undead
Location: Lithuania
Team: fnatic Team

Points: 64


8. SK.Insomnia
Name: Zdravko Georgiev
Race: Human
Location: Bulgaria
Team: SK Gaming

Points: 63
9. fnatic.DIDI8
Name: Dimitar Aleksandrov
Race: NightElf
Location: Bulgaria
Team: fnatic Team

Points: 39


10. 4K^FuRy
Name: Sebastian Pesic
Race: Undead
Location: Sweden
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 26




Honourable Mentions

    11. mouz.Spell - 17 Points
    12. GG18-Wolf - 13 Points
    13. fnatic.Creolophus - 11 Points
    14. 4K^Zeus[19] - 8 Points
    15. sRs.Caravaggio - 6 Points
    16-17. fnatic.Bjarke - 5 Points
    16-17. SK.miou - 5 Points
    18. ACT-Giacomo - 4 Points
    19. Play.Abver - 3 Points
    20-21. fnatic.RotterdaM - 2 Points
    20-21. Play.XyLigan - 2 Points
    22-23. fnatic.Vankor - 1 Point
    22-23. MaDFroG - 1 Point

Asian Ranking

Oct 05 Ranking

1. Spirit_Moon
Name: Jaeho Jang
Race: NightElf
Location: South Korea
Team: mYm.Hanbit

Points: 173


2. WE.Sweet
Name: Jung Hee Chun
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: World Elite

Points: 142
3. 4K.FoV
Name: Dae Hee Cho
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: 4Kings.Intel

Points: 132


4. T.MH]Lucifer
Name: JaeWook Ro
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: mYm.Hanbit

Points: 128
5. WE.Sky
Name: XiaoFeng Li
Race: Human
Location: China
Team: World Elite

Points: 119


6. NiP-GoStop
Name: Dong Moon
Race: Undead
Location: South Korea
Team: NiP Gaming

Points: 95
7. WE.Check
Name: Hyung-ju Lee
Race: Night Elf
Location: South Korea
Team: World Elite

Points: 70


8. SK.Zacard
Name: Tae Min Hwang
Race: Orc
Location: South Korea
Team: SK Gaming

Points: 59
9. NiP-FarSeer
Name: Hong Won Eui
Race: Orc
Location: South Korea
Team: NiP Gaming

Points: 48


10. WE.ReMiND
Name: Sung Sik Kim
Race: Night Elf
Location: South Korea
Team: World Elite

Points: 30




Honourable Mentions

    11. Play.HomeRunBall - 13 Points
    12. T.MH]Storm - 12 Points
    13-14. T.MH]Susiria - 8 Points
    13-14. wNv.xiaOt - 8 Points
    15. WE.SoJu - 5 Points
    16. WE.suhO - 2 Points
    17. NiP-Rainbow - 1 Point

Judges

First and foremost, we would like to thank all of our judges for their input, we know that it is not easy to chose such few players out of so many skilled ones. That being said, here is a list of those that lended their thoughts to us on who they felt was deserving of being ranked.

  • WC3L|Baschi
  • WC3L|Aktenverwalter
  • WC3L|blaze
  • 4K.NuKe
  • fnatic\trimbLe
  • mouz.FrogBender
  • mTw-zerogravity
  • T.MH]Nordahl
  • T.MH]nOnAmE.
  • verGe.pootie
  • SK.Enrique
  • SK.Storch
  • u5.wanzerg
  • u5.bunny
  • play`Providence
  • WE.zax
  • NiP-reis
  • WEG|Ken
  • sRs.Rax
  • esports`WoLFoU





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  1. nice =) I'm quite the fan of sweet, good to see him up there.

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  3. Not sure I agree with the world rankings

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  5. genious

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  7. im suprised that sky is so low

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  9. Moon should be over Grubby in World Rankings imo

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  11. Nah, i dont like the world ranking...

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  13. these r more accurate than the first ones

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  15. Moon is better then Grubby if you ask me... Grubby is more popular though...

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  17. Really don't understand how Grubby has moved upto first. Since the last vote took place he lost to Shortround and Sky at WCG, Fov, Moon and Sky (twice) at SW2 and Sweet (twice) at bwwi. While in the same time, Sweet has won WEG and bwwi, Sky has won WCG (and owned Europe single handedly at SW2) and Moon has regularly dominated InCup after InCup. Then again, I think there are a few names in the voting panel that will vote Grubby first every time regardless of results.

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  19. Sases probably too high just because he beat Moon at WEG, and Sky and Deadman are probably better than their ranks but I guess haven't competed enough to prove it.

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  21. Rofl Inso Ranked 8 for losing everything he played. Spell Rank 11 for winning everything.

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  23. HAHA GRUBBY DOESNT DESERVE THE BE FIRST ROFLMAO 1) sweet 2) moon 3)lucifer /fov/grubby

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  25. US Ranking GOGO

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  27. Is this some kind of humorous ranking, Grubby over Moon even though the only thing that has changed since last time is that Moon destroyed Grubby 3-1 and won a shitload of incups? Perhaps the rankers could break this down in the future because I'm interested to know how both players achieving little except one defeating the other and both losing major tournaments can result in Grubby overtaking Moon?

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  29. Grubby 1st w00t! Whine Grubby haters whine!

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  31. SHortround isnt korean? lol

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  33. ROFL................. Grubby 1st better than Moon, Sweet, FoV and Sky............... Zad only 11th...................... Duck better than ReMinD..................... ReMind as many points as Spell................. ROFL................. just ROFL............ That's ridiculous

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  35. AH! OK! Sorry! I post a comment before reading who were the judges... Now every thing is clear... HOW THE HELL DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ACCURATE RANKING WITH ONLY 4 ASIAN JUDGES???????????

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  37. I really enjoy reading all the angry posts. Keep it up. One more time: Grubby IS NUMBER ONE :) :) :) -Wooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooo

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  39. because only asians know what they are talking about..

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  41. @ Grubstar : Be happy! Enjoy it! It's the only ranking with Grubby above everyone for a long long time!

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  43. The Judges were drunk when they are doing this rankings

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  45. @Circus - sure my friend. always good to be a visionary. i'm of another opinion :) - no1 no1 no1 no1

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  47. no, but when 90% of the pros are from Asia, it seems that about 90% of the judges should be from Asia. I don't see how grubby moved up, seeing as he lost to all of the players ranked 2-5 in recent tournaments. Moon, Sweet, Sky, Grubby, FoV, Check, Lucifer, ToD, GoStop, Zacard would be more accurate I think.

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  49. Guys, 4K.Grubby deserves to be top, for those who are saying "Sweet owns him" Sweet didn't qualify for wcg, grubby did thats still worth points for grubby. Moon didn't qualify for bwwi or wcg, grubby did. Those are both more prestigious than incup, and thus deserves more points. I mean, if a player came second every single tournament, and a different person came first every tournament does that mean all those players should be ahead of him even though they won only one thing, and qualified for one thing?

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  51. Zacard should be 5 in world ranking ffs!

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  53. @ Grubstar : Understand what I'm saying before saying bs : I say it's a long time since we haven't seen a ranking with Grubby above everyone. I'm not talking bout what will happen in the future...

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  55. so...if u come here an BlTCH about the ranks thats gonna change anything?

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  57. Sweet didn't qualify for WCG because he lost 2-1 to Moon. How often do you think Grubby would qualify for international events if he had to beat Moon to get there? For Grubby, qualifying for an international event = beating Rotterdam (which every player on that list could do 9 times out of 10). For Sweet, he has to beat players like Moon, Fov, Zacard, Lucifer, Remind, Check, Storm, Rainbow, GoStop, FarSeer etc to get to an event like WCG. I think if you're basing the last 6 months purely on results, then theres absolutely no way on earth you could rank Grubby first (he should be 4th on that basis imo), but I think the fact that a large number of the voters are good friends with Grubby certainly counts in his favour.

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  59. Deadman and GoStop are rated too high. You should make a North American list, even though it's not big on the scene, since WCR is an American site.

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  61. And where is Satini? He is very good and inovative player and really deserves a place in the top 10 (at least 20)!

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  63. very nice. i agree! im from Argentina and wanna see a American Ranking with our 3lfear player :D

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  65. BS, how can Grubby be ranked #1. He's win% is even less than 50% lately. Moon Grubby

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  67. Sweet, Moon and Sky have all beaten grubby and knocked him out of every major tournament/showmatch he has entered in who knows how long, yet somehow the judges have concluded he is better than them. It seems like the juges WANT grubby to be number 1, but it won't changed the fact that the players below him consistently beat him. It begs the question that if this list isn't based on winning at warcraft 3... what is it based on?

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  69. BEST PLAYER OF THE WORLD ...THE ONE WHO CAN PLAY WITH ANY RACE :p ..ONLY GRUBBY .. :d ..I LOVE U GRUBBY...GL ALL OF THE PLAYERS IN RANKINGS OR NOT in..I want to see one day that warcraft play in any home :P hahaha...7 billion online player !!!

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  71. I didnt know you could just "vote" and change some1's ethnicity. I guess im korean now tho. cool i guess?

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  73. pretty cool idea

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  75. best player doesnt mean that won against anyone ..lol!!! ..sky lose to axalav(I dont Know the right spell LOL ) !! and grubby lost to him ...haha..so grubby lose to better one ... best player mean who play better ..who know the warcraft ...if sky can play 4 race he can be the best player ..sweet and Moon too..

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  77. omg Rainbow so low..

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  79. i agree with the rankings, grubby's so consistent and moon has been losing quite a bit lately, and he didnt make it to wcg and go knocked out of weg 3 by sase and lucifer, still second best in the world is nothing to be taken lightly

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  81. Moon looks different with a hat on. idk it's kinda goofy.

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  83. Moon lost to tod 2:1, Stevey your just ignorant and don't look at the bottom line facts, Grubby qualified for wcg, moon got knocked out first round against FoV. Grubby qualified for bwwi, Moon did not. moon had the possibilities to play on northrend, but he chose not too. Grubby all, however I do think sweet moon. As sweet won last weg, and bwwi. two very prestigious events.

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  85. @Circus So ur comment was on the past. Then u r really stupid and ignorant. He won a few big tournaments in 2005. He was also MVP in the last WCL season. What are u talking about? And why are there always people who just can't stand people who are succesful. I respect all of the great players. I wouldn't be able to rank them. I just keep my fingers crossed for Grubby because I like his attidude and because he's a friendly, educated European guy. I'm sure the Korean players are nice, too. But wouldn't it be boring if all good players were from a country so far away? That's another reason why I cheer for Grubby and ToD.

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  87. stevey isn't ignorant you are just stupid. Grubby qualified for WCG, so did luxembourg. So we can safely throw that point away. Grubby winning consistently? he lost to Sweet in BWWI. He lost to Short WCG. He lost to Sky in Star Wars. He lost to Moon in showmatch, that's consistent. HE HAS CONSISTENTLY LOST EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT HE HAS ENTERED.

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  89. Fear you're clueless. Moon lost in the 3rd or 4th round of the WCG qualifyers, not the first (he had already beaten Sweet and Nangchun before losing to Fov). Your entire argument boils down to this: Grubby is able to beat a field of fairly average players in qualifying for major events, while Moon sometimes loses in the Korean qualifyers (which are 100x more difficult) against other world class players, therefore Grubby is better. As Mushroom said, Luxembourg qualified for WCG, along with a number of other poor players, does that make them all better than Sweet and Moon? Wizpiz qualified for bwwi, I guess that makes him better than Fov? Grubby wiping the floor with players half his skill in Dutch qualifyers means nothing, its all about the results when the top players face each other, and on that front Grubby's recent results have been fairly disappointing.

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  91. lol at moon didnt qualify...The korean qualifications are the most interesting part of the tour grubby fanboy.Any of the top 15 kor would be top 3 in europ ...

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  93. i really think sweet is the best player atm

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  95. Moon lost to tod 2:1, Stevey your just ignorant and don't look at the bottom line facts, Grubby qualified for wcg, moon got knocked out first round against FoV. Grubby qualified for bwwi, Moon did not. moon had the possibilities to play on northrend, but he chose not too. Grubby all, however I do think sweet moon. As sweet won last weg, and bwwi. two very prestigious events.
    Rofl you truely are clueless. As stevey has said before... Who do grubby need to beat to qualify for wcg? noobs compared to who Moon needs to beat to quailfy And Grubby owns all? rofl bullship he have been owned even though he had the racial advantage vs sweet in 2 bo3s, he also gets owned by Moon every time they meet. So Grubby owns all? lawl what a joke.

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  97. @ Grubstar : -"He won a few big tournaments in 2005." Can you please mention one of them? -He was the WC3L MVP, true. But must I remind you than neither WE nor Moon were in WC3L last season? -I respect Grubby, cause as you said he's well mannered, and he's got fantastic skills in the game (don't tell me ToD is mannered please... -.-). But what I'm saying here is that he does not deserve the #1 spot cause there are a few players better than him. Now that's only my opinion, but it seems that it's the opinion of many people outta here... And to all the people who said that Grubby is better than moon cause : 1-he qualified for WCG while Moon didn't : Grubby needs to beat Zerter and Rotterdam to qualify : Rotterdam is ranked 22th in the european ranking and Zerter isn't ranked. Who do you think Moon has to beat??? 2-he was in BWI while Moon was not. Wispiwzzizwwizsiwi (can't even wite his name correctly...) was there. So what, he's better than Moon, FoV, Sweet, etc...?

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  99. Next time do american players kthx

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  101. sky should be higher...

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  103. Grubby should NOT be #1 at the moment, he's been losing a lot lately.

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  105. umm... since the last ranking moon has been doing better than grub has so i dunno why grub took his spot. w/e

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  107. everybody Knows that CirCuS is the best player in the world ..theonly one who knows who is the best.....lol ..one important clear advice : refrain him from posting.. the most annoying comments Iv ever seen...shut up plz CirCuS

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  109. Sweet is like the hottest player right now, beating moon in WEGIII and Grubby twice in BWWI.

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  111. Don't feel compelled to read my comments Arman_v. And as you can see I don't use bold letters and I don't flame anyone here in them... It's time for you to grow up I think...

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  113. wtf.. remind is way higher than that -_-

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  115. I really enjoy reading all the angry posts. Keep it up. One more time: Grubby IS NUMBER ONE :) :) :) -Wooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooo------------Rofl fanboy what does this really even meen? grubby can be first and can keep losing to moon and sweet

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  117. so many people disagree with Grubs on top, and i'm one of them. my solution would be to take the top 10 in the world and let them play a sort of round-robin style tournament. every player plays every other player twice. final rankings to be determined by maps won.

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  119. Why the hell is Sky so low...It's not like he won the world tft championship by fluke, he dominated grubby yet he is way down. Moon didnt even qualify! Stop playing favourites and look who is actually winning the games!

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  121. Grubby was doing better before...

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  123. Grubby first even after a disapointing last 3 months? I think its safe to say, some judges don't know what they are talking about. Lets hear the judges reasons for their decisions maybe? else its just as meaningless as 19 random wcr posters just listing top 10 for whatever reasons.. deadman is the 2nd best NE in the world after moon? wtf Nice pics, although farseers one is abit 0_o

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  125. Notice how many european judges there are.

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  127. grubby fanboys made this?^^

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  129. Everyone of the Top10 can beat everybody. As I already said: I'm not able to rank them. You can do that better than the people of the jury - how nice for u! A lot of people here saying he LOST tournaments like WCG, Starwars 2, Blizzard Invitational. How can u "lose" a tournamnet anyway??? Becoming 3rd or 2nd is definately not losing. Imo he was the most constant player in 2005. He ruled the last WCL season. I can think of 1st Place - ECG 2005 - 1st Place - ESWC 2005 and several incups. but there are more for sure.

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  131. pillar you can say that again

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  133. If this was a popularity contest then you forgot madfrog, if not then this list is a bit flawed ;). It is an incredibly difficult and controversial thing to try to rate the best players in the world but its obvious it could have been done better. I dont know maybe the system that is being used isn't a very good one. The people who lended their thoughts obviously have a good eye on the scene...but no one can pick out top players like other top players and most top players follow the scene very closely. Maybe open up some spots on list for some top players try very hard not to be tilted in one direction ;)

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  135. GO SWEDEN

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  137. Name one decent tourny Grubby has won this past 3 months.

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  139. It doesn't matter who he had to play, he didn't qualify for wcg, so they can't give him an appropriate ranking, or any points based on a wcg performance. Same with bwwi. Sweet also got beat by grubby earlier on in the tournament. You win some and you lose some.

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  141. u can see the new replay of Grubby and see why he is the best player....see war3.replays.net see his replay vs Gostop and killerx0...he was human vs killer...see this replay plz..:P ..Grubby is the best..best player doesnt mean the best succesful player..it means BEST player in all sides of playing like skill micro macro random playing knoledge of other races and at last his achievments..

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  143. moon does crap at lans compared to grubby.. and moon only BEATS grubby coz of that matchup.. not the skill.

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  145. Grubstar, you need to shutup lol. You've been posting 24/7 on grubby's side, but it's just so pointless...

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  147. and also... grubby hasn't won a tournament in last 3 months.. but he won ESWC. 3rd at WCG and 2nd at BWWI.. the winners and runners up of those tournaments dont appear in the top 4 of the other tournaments. Sweet won WEG and BWWI so i'd put him 2nd. and moon is overal very good.. but i wudn't say his play is special.. but he thinks of good strats to abuse and make sure he wins.

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  149. 1. Grubby 2. Sweet 3. Moon

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  151. WTF is Moon doing up there? Unless its in Korea, he doesn't win jack.

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  153. Grubby loses wcg to sky. Grubby loses blizz inv to sweet. Yet, grubby is #1? gogo biased judges? Sweet wins WEG, sweet wins against grubby in blizz invitational.

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  155. why is moon still up there, what has he won? Should be #1 sweet, #2 grubby, #3 ??????

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  157. I agree with these ranings, grubby hasnt won in the pas few months but he did place top 3 2ce (BWWI and wcg). while moon is still really good without aciefing anything lately, sweet has been doing AWESOME lately and he deserves at least that 3rd place. good rankings

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  159. funny that on an international level sky *greater than* lucifer, but in asia lucifer *greater than* sky.

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  161. u can see the new replay of Grubby and see why he is the best player....see war3.replays.net see his replay vs Gostop and killerx0...he was human vs killer...see this replay plz..:P ..Grubby is the best..best player doesnt mean the best succesful player..it means BEST player in all sides of playing like skill micro macro random playing knoledge of other races and at last his achievments..
    wtf he owned the famous pro gamer killerx0 (i wonder that he isnt in the list -_-' ) with human. he is GODLIKE! and sweet is much better than grubby in microing, macroing and in overall skill. Just watch blizz finals, he owned grubby with pitlord and naga :D

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  163. My ranking would be 1)Sweet 2)Sky 3)Moon 4)Grubby Based on all the tourney lately I think that is quite a bit more accurate.

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  165. omg, they forget to put Lyn in the ranking !!!

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  167. blah blah, read the ranking, enjoy, appreciate it and resist leaving comments that involve "i don't agree with the rankings" on this board. I really doubt if this ranking should exist, just look at the amount of comments already posted in such a short time. I love the ranking system but the comments make me cringe.

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  169. i agree with grubstar keep whining just keep whining, dont hate the player hate the game grubby earns that, he has won so many tournies in his time it rediculous, what has moon won, WEG and thats all

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  171. Farseer looks like my little cousin in that pic Oo

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  173. say more comments..but at last Grubby is the best...if some one beat another doesnt mean he is better player than....I said axalav beat sky (a random player with apm under 100) .... sweet and grubby is equal in 10 recent matchs .5:5 grubby 1:0 stars war ...grubby 2:1 BWI ..and 2 2:1 for sweet...it is 5:5 .. :P...I mean it is the best player not most succesfull player ....can u understand it!? success is one of parameters not all..

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  175. I love this thread, but i think ToD is a little overrated. Same for SaSe

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  177. It doesn't matter who he had to play, he didn't qualify for wcg, so they can't give him an appropriate ranking, or any points based on a wcg performance. Same with bwwi. Sweet also got beat by grubby earlier on in the tournament. You win some and you lose some.
    It doesn't matter who he had to play? You are a f***ing retard. I play my kid neighbor all the time and have a 10/10 winning streak, does this mean my ranking is number 1, because really I have never lost.

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  179. My ranking: 1.Sweet/Moon 2.Sky/Grubby 3.Fov 4.Go-Stop 5.Lucifer UD for teh win...

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  181. To all you people bitching about the ranking, please STFU. Just because grubby got first doesn't actually mean he recieved the most first place votes. He has 172 points, divine that by 19 judges and you get roughly 9.05 point per judge, meaning virtually every judge could of voted him 2nd and he would of won.

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  183. "stevey isn't ignorant you are just stupid. Grubby qualified for WCG, so did luxembourg. So we can safely throw that point away." LOL ahahaha man I was laughing for awhile luxebourgsweet cuz he qualified for wcg!

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  185. lol what a popularity contest. grubby over moon... come on

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  187. lol one thing i dont agree with is 4K^Fury #10 in Europe? lol and the FarSeer looks like a cherry or something

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  189. Wow this is a great diea. I think they are all pretty good, altought i thought that Zacard would have been rated higher. Where is the North American rankings lol

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  191. grubby #1 yay

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  193. I agree with most of this. But grubby being over moon, considering his recent downfalls, doesn't seem right.

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  195. Surprised that deadman made it into the worlds top ten. What has he done lately?

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  197. When did they put Shortround as Korean? lol, kinda surprised I dont see Showtime :/

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  199. 13 europeans judges, 4 asians .. k :)

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  201. I think players should rank each other. Although there might be slight bias because they are good friends and stuff, but players know skill levels of others the best. Also players are good friends with most other players. I think it's more biased if third party ranks them because all they do is just watch the game, not play against them. Also, it would've been nice to see a ranking for each race.

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  203. more accurate ... except for top3 imo should be fov moon grubby or moon fov grubby

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  205. ive been using wcreplays for a long lnog time , nd its an awesome site. BUT this has to be the most stupid news post ever! first of all posting something like this gets fanboys nd haters going, nd also u CANT tell who is NO.1 with the race imbalances. this shouldnt have been made in the first place. WITH THAT SAID i dunt understand why grubby is number 1 above sweeet,moon,fov,sky who have beaten him recently. this just doesnt make sense and the judges must have been drunk or have a IQ of negative 200. Secondly ZACARD RANKED 11th? why is remind so low...imo zacard is RIGHT UP THERE WITH GRUBBY and remind is RIGHT UP THERE WITH MOON. this is just tottaly retarded. obviously this has been favoured to a few players. so fanboys of gurbby can read nd say he is number 1. nd the haters ,(whom im definately not, but would agree with this time) would just ignore this post bcoz its obviously VERY BIASED.

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  207. Nice ranking... but I don't think Grubby should be on top.

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  209. How is xiaOt low opinionated these ranking are kthx

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  211. Ya I think it should be Sweet, Sky, Grubby than Moon as far as latest achievments go.

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  213. Interesting to see how Sky has moved right up, when before WCG he wasn't even listed.

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  215. Cool... nice that there is Europe and Asia but no America.

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  217. Is it just me or does anyone else feel that perhaps raving has not hit the 10 year maturity mark in his life time as of now?

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  219. past couple of tournaments i have seen Human and undead have won.... They are considered the weakest races which they might as well be but seems that the Un/Hu players are obviously finding ways to outplay and beat the imba of orc and Ne.

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  221. Grubby is a great player, but he's not the best anymore, more like 3 or 4th.

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  223. w00t w00t! ALL HAIL Grubby~ ^^!! you are the best~.......Farseer looks somehow like a girl :/

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  225. .. even though he didnt win wcg... or ... blizzard tournament ... or ... nething else recently :P

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  227. How often do you think Grubby would qualify for international events if he had to beat Moon to get there?
    Man, why doesn't anyone ever remember that FoV took down Moon in WCG qualifiers and then Grubby beat FoV in WCG itself? Grubby faced the exact same competition and won.

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  229. this is a mostly european panel. not surprising at all

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  231. Great rankings, I think xyligan might be a little underrated though. I think he deserves top 10 europe:)

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  233. You guys are really idiots this time. These rankings are the collective opinions of the people that RUN THE TEAMS AND WEBSITES. You are just fans, you don't know more than someone who gets paid to judge WC3 talent and put a team together. If you disagree that's fine, but it's just opinions, realize that someone may have a different opinion than you. The only thing that would make these rankings better if more of the people who run replays.net and Korean leagues offered their opinions.

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  235. SPECIALPLACE How often do you think Grubby would qualify for international events if he had to beat Moon to get there? Man, why doesn't anyone ever remember that FoV took down Moon in WCG qualifiers and then Grubby beat FoV in WCG itself? Grubby faced the exact same competition and won. Hey dipshit, you should know just how flawed ur arguement is. Since Moon beat the shit out of grubby, by ur arguement u can say Fov should have wupped on grubby. My rankings would be 1. Moon 2. SKY/Grub/Sweet(2-4). Gostop should be ranked higher then luci. Luci and Tod both overated. Zacard should be on that list instead of luci Seriously I think the panel 1. bias 2. maybe not as exposed to asian players unless they are in wc3l (basically another bias). 3. Korean players have a 1000000% difficultyin getting into any tourney. 4. Also Becuz of stupid rule on limit on 2 koreans per event, ur basicaly wiping out the top 10 list and only letting grubby/tod and shit load of subpar to luxemborg play in them +2 koreans. How can this be a true world tounrey. It should be based not on country, so this way, we can truly say, wcg really means worldclass winnner, instead of wcg= noob fest puls maybe 1 or 2 good players u have to win against to win wcg first to thirid place.

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  237. ummm ... LOL??? so what is this, get 13 of grubby's fanboys together and get them to vote on the best player??? grubby has been on LOSING STREAK while at least five of the players ranked beneath him have consistently beaten him in the last 3 mnths. funny to see the comments ... all unanimously agreed that this ranking is bs, except for a couple of fanboys (read GRUBSTAR) who keep spamming comments that make very little sense. based on performance alone, the current world champion would have to be sky or sweet, though we all know that moon and fov are right on their heels. grubby comes in a solid FIFTH.

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  239. i bet the players don't even care half as much as some of you people. Grubby, Moon, Sweet, Sky, and Fov are all great players, a class above the rest of that list.

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  241. grubby can loose like everything and still is the best world player..... i just dont understand why isnt giacomo in top 10 europe, i think is pretty stupid that didi8 is before him, giacomo beat him like 3-0, so........

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  243. i do not think this ranking was based on only current events, but through out their career. so... i think this ranking is acceptable... grubby got on WCG and WC3 season 3 finals where as moon did not, i think that also participates in the ranking..

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  245. O_O wth! wats with all the arguments about Grub anyway. Im a Grub fanboy too, but i do agree with anyone who says Grub doesnt deserve to be 1st. I admire him and i respect wat hes been doing in the game, in fact i dreamof following his success. But it appears that the rtankings arent correct to put Grub 1st inmho. Moon should be 1st followed by sweet then grub. Sweet cuz hes the hottest player rite now, and moon cuz hes undoubtly no1. There isnt a single person whom he can tbeat on a good day. Currently without wining about imba, Geub cant beat moon and sky no matter how hard he tries. You may arge that sky hasnt really got much skill with all his tower rushes, which id agree to that, but the fact is grub is still a notch lower than sky at the moment

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  247. How the hell is Zacard not ranked in top 10 world..?

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  249. sweet beats grubby at bwi and takes weg but he's #3 why?

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  251. grubby higher ranked than fov sweet sky moon? O_o

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  253. deadmand doesnt need to play lol , we all know his amazing skill , he is the best ne vs UD, so his rate is ok

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  255. judjes have spoken........deal with that.....

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  257. WTF? this is joke grubby 1st in world ranking???? too many fanboys of grubby in judges

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  259. they could've added showtime in there, maybe not in the top10 rankings, but in honourable mentions. and wtf is this grubby #1 ?

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  261. I wholeheartely agree with stevet. i don't think Moon and Sweet are crying though, they've been earning more cash and beating better players recently so I doubt they give a f***

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  263. GRUBBY NR 1 HELL NO !!!! SWEET OR MOON BUT BOT GRUBBY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  265. Sweet should be top Asian rightnow... world also considering his form on offline tournaments :s :s :s

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  267. GRUBBY NR 1 HELL NO !!!! SWEET OR MOON BUT NOT GRUBBY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

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  269. you should add "american ranking" with only shourtround : i assume those are current rankings but whats moon doing up there ? he recently won any tournaments i missed ?

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  271. All "still active" aT members top 10 of the world ;)

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  273. Grubby TOP1!!! Alright

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  275. Pretty cool, but I think an american ranking would be cool even if it was mostly based on league play, it would be interesting to see : )

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  277. To all of you who start your sentences with "WTF, LOL!?" and "OMG" or maybe "ROFL": Shut up! Noone takes your arguments seriously.

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  279. Of the world ranking there are 6/10 south koreans

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  281. Sweet is up there? Finally!

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  283. wtf r utalking about ToD!! he beat GoStop (vs UD imba against HU) he beat moon ..he beat check ....shut up about ToD and deadman...both of them r top 10 exactly ..check is overrated I think.. check is very smart in macro but his micro is in lower level .. apm (130 up to 220 ..4 example not certain reason) and about Grubby ...I think sweet must beat grubby 10 times after BWI to prove that he is better than...because grubby rape him in past so many times ...and his micro isnt better than grubby ... I think rankings isnt true on many guys..

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  285. OMG! What is Farseer? A boy or a girl? Or both =D

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  287. Ahaha Grubby 1st, how come?, by far the 1st place is fought between Sweet n Moon, n second, of course Sky, after winning the "so prestigious" WCG (not only qualifying to it as many grubby fan boys take as a big accomplishment), then in the 4th place i wud probably put Grubby, not quite sure abt that tho, since ToD has been performing WAY MUCH BETTER, poo on those judges, in this one they shud really post the reason y they gave the votes they did, if not then DUN CHOOSE EM TO VOTE AGAIN!!!

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  289. Can someone tell me what is GoStop-boy or girl??

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  291. GoStop and farseer must show all of their bodies to prove that they r boys not girl!!! LOL what the hell r u talking about....Farseer's pic is nice alittle nice not exactly like a girl!!! ..haha.nice comments about pics ..sase is overrated....Grubby is the best...keep whining haha....Grubby must play UD or NE to show sweet and other players how they could do with their races in past and didnt ....:P :P :P...keep whining...ask that Y grubby is on top ..haha :D ...

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  293. OMG i know Remind didnt win anyting in lan tournament but i could u judge that deadman,elakeduck, gostop and many others are better than him :@This guy is (at least)the second best ne player in the world

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  295. sry i adora sk and wcreplays coverage but some bs in here imho. 1. u cant rank them players coz of diff races and moon pwnz grub but fov pwnz moon and gruby pwnz fov so whos the best? there is no sin in doing this ranks. and then elakeduck being top5 european is really an UPSET imho! anyways better a bad news than no news so keep on going

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  297. Farseer should be higher!!

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  299. Zacard hasnt done anything Worldy and won :/ please stop being biased!

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  301. [/quote fov pwnz moon ] Dude i could "own moon" if i had 8 hours a day to watch moon replays to meta him.

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  303. eeek

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  304. Funny all the grubby haters, there is no doubt he is no1 by far noone can reach him. He lately lost some imba mus but who cares the jury knows what they do but keep up the whine kids its funny to read :)

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  306. How Can you not goddamn rank Rival.Showtime?!!!!!!!! are you kiddding me??!?!!?

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  308. Moon has been playing shitty as of late. Being beaten by many people.

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  310. Very nice to see a ranking system like this :P

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  312. Why does everyone HAVE to see his/her favorite player be the top? stop being bias and stop whining.

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  314. i think sky should be higher...

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  316. i just think that sweet and moon should be up top at a tie and grubby should be 2nd just because of his slump..

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  318. For all u retards qho question why grubby is at the top. Last 5LAN's ESWC, WCG, WEG and BWWI, WC3L finals. Grubby attended 4/5 and won wc3l finals and ESWC, 3rd WCG, and 2nd BWWI. Sweet won WEG and BWWI, so imo he shud be second. Moon wasn't even top 4 in WEG, and SKy won WCG but thats it.

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  320. probably not what i thought

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  322. stevey is right

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  324. but you know it's hard to do ranking with this amount of top players and what i said before doesnt mean i dont like Grubby,he's one of the bests but due to recent results,he's not doing as well as before,gl for him and all other players

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  326. BITCH WHINE do whatever but admit the one TRUTH........... FoV looks like he has ponytails in that pic ROFL

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  328. Zac is no longer in the world's ranking?

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  330. That s RIDICULOUS Grubby Firts !! OMG , Moon , Sweet and Sky are better , Judge are really blind , That s a good idea to create a world ranking , but please put judge not this fool ! Grubby is first cause there is more eupean judges !! everybody know that there are more pro in asia , that s not a fair rank 1) Moon 2) Sweet 3) Sky 4)Grubby 5)Tod will be a better rank

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  332. haha you guys suck so hard :D do you really think you know a shit about the scene compared to nuke/trimble/frogbender etc? LAWL and it belongs more to this ranking than starwars or wcg :O like wc3l for example, which is undeniable ruled by who? right, grubby. unbeaten whole last season inclusive the finals, and what 4K did back then is quite uncomparable.

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  334. FFS! STOP SAYING 4K AND GRUBBY RULED WC3L LAST SEASON : NEITHER WE NOR MOON WERE IN IT!!!

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  336. Grubby is a better then Moon. Firstly, Moon is using the most overpowered race in Warcraft 3 ( NIGHT ELF). WE ALL KNOW THAT, DON"T DENY IT. Secondly, imo, the best player in the world should be able to play 2v2 and Grubby can. Moon can play 2v2 but he is not nearly as good as Grubby. And for all you people who said Grubby can't beat Moon. WELL THAT BECAUSE NE RAPE THE HELL ORC IN SOLO. I BET IF GRUBBY AND MOON SWITCH RACE. GRUBBY WILL BEAT MOON 10-0 ANYTIME,ANYDAY, AND ANYWHERE.

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  338. Moon shoudl be above Grubby everything else seems pretty good i guess

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  340. SK.Hot is much better than Sase....and wtf is Elakeduck doing on the list

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  342. AWSOME SWEET'S 3RD!!! AND LUCIFER IS 6TH !!! MY FAVORITES!!!

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  344. BTW MASTA, GRUBBY ONCE DID PLAYED MOON ORC VS NE WHERE GRUBBY IS NE AND GRUBBY DID WIN!!!

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  346. wow this is kewl, I like the judges. I thought maybe tod should be higher on world rank.

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  348. JohnnySmum makes a good point..."Interesting to see how Sky has moved right up, when before WCG he wasn't even listed."...that goes for other players as well...sweet at blizzcon. people say grubby shouldnt be #1 because he has been beaten by so and so once or twice...every time they beat grubb they have gone on to win the tourney...so it comes down to everyones biggest accomplishment is beatting grubb, which happens maybe twice or year for the 2nd and 3rd best in the world. CMON theres no way you can say that anyone has been a BETTER play for the past year than grubby...remember its the entire year, not just one tourney

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  350. ZEUS RANKED HIGHER THAN MADFROG?wtf

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  352. Before BWWI, almost everyone thought it is a cakewalk for Grubby... By saying so, you agreed that Grubby is much much better than Sweet. Now after the event, many of you said Sweet should be #1 and Grubby should be #3 or #4... You just cannot judge a player in one game, guys!

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  354. North America ftw? :(

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  356. These rankings don't make much sense... How is Grubby #1 when Moon dusted him 4 to 1 awhile back... Then you have Sweet and Sky who won the very big tournys the past months, so I'm a bit lost as to why they're not 1st or 2nd... Silly popularity contest...

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  358. Cuz Grubby owns vs all else... Gotta remember Orc v NE is not a great MU. Not many Orcs up there btw...

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  360. sky is underrated once again, big surprise there

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  362. Hup Holland Hup

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  364. See you guys go "why aren't there any korean judges" well you see, if there were more korean judges *aka ppl like you who go, omg omg omg spirit moon just built a wisp *feint** you see the problem with most comments is that theyre something like "if theres so many korean pros, why arent there so many korean judges", now thats just stupid, because right there, you just told me you want korean judges to vote for korean players, while the rest of you bag the european judges because 1 thats right 1 of them is in grubbies clan, the others.....are get this.....the....people...that...run....the fu-jucking tournaments u nub holes, dont u see the WC3L before them??? zed oh em ef gee grow up, just because korea finally lost one stop bitching, oh and yes, grubby did bad in the last three months, he also did really really good in the 9 months before that....but of corse...spirit moon who didnt even enter these tournaments MUST be a better player, i mean whatever man, i respect moon, hes a brilliant and innovative player, but i think even he knows that if you dont play you cant win, and oh yeah id like to rub in that all those ppl bagging "grubby fanboys" are prolly just "moon fanboys" so either way, your a stupid ass hippocrit OR your really really stupid and havent realise that grubby has at least PLAYED in these tournaments, oh and yes i am a 4k^tod fanboy myself, i couldnt give a crap about grubby, tod all the way

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  366. moon does crap at lans compared to grubby.. and moon only BEATS grubby coz of that matchup.. not the skill.
    dude what are you talking about? Moon is by far the best player on lan,especially when he has time to analyze his opponent. He remained unbeaten @ sw2 (not many games though) and he won 25 televisioned games in a row, dont tell me he sucks at lan. Grubby lost quite a few games on lan recently where he was favorite like short @ wcg,sweet @ bwwi and @ sw2

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  368. W T F............ Ok. top 5 = first, Grubby, 2nd, Tod, third, sky forth moon, 5th = deaman/fov. these asians omg. yuk! Fov looks like a monkey. european asian. sorry fella's oO. KILL NE. Hu 4tw.

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  370. MOON CAN GO F.UK HIMSELF. lil looser. Big asian nerd. Damn imba elf. No skill in ne vs orc. tod 4tw

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  372. I like how everyone thinks their opinions on rankings should be enforced. These judges are the judges for a reason. Glad to see that the judges are people who actually live the game and play head to head with the contestants instead of just kids who check up records websites for rankings. Keep up the good work my friends.

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  374. grubbys overrated

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  376. I think it's pretty safe to say everyone vehemently disagreeing with this well put together and relatively accurate rankings list, is a complete newb.

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  378. grubby is first because he performs more consisently than any other player. he placed in the top 5 in allmost all the tournaments he played in. that is why he is numero uno

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  380. lol deadman above imsomnia? nice joke...gostop loocks more as an indian then a korean guy LOL! :D heheh nice faces :P

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  382. These rankings should be based on points or something, not opinions. Ans stevey, please do not make a comment about the Dutch scene if you know so little about about (although I agree that qualifying here is way easyer than in Korea)

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  384. Lol, if u look at the European rankings, and then at the names u'll notice they're all foreign... I thought the point of a European ladder was for Europeans to play on. It's been proven that Asians are generally naturally better at pc games, why cant they stay in there own realms? rofl

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  386. @ speedofsound

    your comment is incredibly stupid...all the guys in European rankings are European people... I personally disagree with this placement of sase,sooo overrated, all he did was winning 2 games vs moon but he is inconsistent

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  388. Sky was placed ahead of lucifer in the world ranking, but not in the korean ranking.... wtf?

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  390. I was just wondering about that myself

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  392. omg moon looks plastic in his pic :O

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  394. This judge system is very stupid and doesnt represent accurate info = |

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  396. I looooove beer.!!!

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  398. LOL @ NIPFARSEER

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  400. Noone will ever read this I guess.. ;P, but even being a Grubby "fan" myself I have to admit Grubby was doing a lot better before last world ranking (with Moon on top), and has been in more of a 'slope' recently. The judges aren't stupid though, and this ranking is generating a LOT of attention.. let's trust them to do their work.

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  402. i think it's ok,that grub is on 1st.i mean many said grub losses so often againt moon,but hey i think moon's abuse talon taktik doesnt mean a lot of skill,just abuse.and sweet...well,i think fov is the better one.sweet just won the ladder finals and before?at sk etc?...so i think it's correctly

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  404. ToD is not overrated, he just proved that he deserves second in europe, cuz he was behind the best player in the world, grubby

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  406. FoCuS should be up there..over farseer

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  408. ROFL...I LOST IT WHEN I SAW FARSEER'S PIC

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  410. People who knows what this game is all about should be the judges. what is with these judges from german etc..and only 3 korean judges. wonder why more than 50% of pros are korean but less than 15% of judges are korean.. this is what you call IMBA you noob grubby lovers.

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  412. These rankings are rigged up the ass... And where the hell is the American rankings...

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  414. lol Remind 10th on Asia woulda thought he would be higher

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  416. I can`t agree with the rank list for some players...

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  418. grubby 4ever---.---

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