Warden Harassment

[Jinjo]

What's the best way to defend a Warden harassment with an Archmage without an arcane tower? Do I really NEED an arcane tower? Everytime I get one, it doesn't even hinder harassment anyway.

[Horus]

Just creep like normal and when the Warden arrives just keep targetting her with your footies + WE. If she has Shadow Strike and attacks your AM just run inside your base for protection. Try to lure her inside your base and try to get a surround on her.

An arcane tower is quite useful but it does depend if it is effective or not. If your facing NE you have a good chance he is going to harass you, whether creepjacking or going for your peasants. If you feel you have some decent micro to stop his harass on your peasants, don't bother building a Tower. On the other hand it is mostly better to be safe and so build a tower for some extra protection, also in Mid game. (Bears get whacked by an Arcane Tower and so do heroes.)

[PITagoRAS]

The main thing vs an warden is that u CANT run of her.thats what she wanna"that u run with all your units while she get free hits and ss on your am.
just fight with her if u have 4-5 footies.If u have less of that, i suggest dance with your am and back to your base =/

[Movac]

cast a WE and run your AM into your walled base while your WE and footmen are attack the warden. if the warden chases you into your base, great. trap her inside and kill her.

[64Mhz]

Against a warden you don't want your archmage stickin around to fight or he's done for. Summon a WE and run.

[AnCouLer]

Well.. The AM gets killed fast vs NE.. Thats why I suggest MK vs warden. You get stormbolt, and bolt her before she gets you.

[skyro620]

Basically micro and keep hitting the warden with footies + WE until she's low to make her retreat. Like others have said retreat your AM into your walled based and trap her in.

[Vex.Marquise]

Warden is a problem for Hu just because of the AM's low hp... usually when I see a warden coming as I am creeping I will try to keep my Am behind my men or farther away from the warden than say, a footmen. Doing this makes the player hesitant to SS your AM because the warden will have to run by all those footmen. If the warden ever does go after ur Am even though she has to run by footmen you can easily take your We/AM/footmen and FF on her till she runs her ugly masked self away ^^. The other thing that can happen is she will SS a footmen... no big deal footmen are not game winning men in Ne vs Hu anyways and dont server a real purpose late game. usually you can save ur footmen anyway by running him away and healing with Scrolls after your done creeping. If worse comes to worse and the footman is about to die just kill it with your own men to deny the warden of Exp.

[Spell]

when warden comes just put your footies and your am still, let them all hit the warden after a few hits start going around units so he can't atck u but your units can atack him, he will run soon, don't go after cause when he get's to wells he will come back and probabily with units...

[Heaven]

when warden comes, quit the game cuz u are a noob if u cant stop warden harassment when u have an arcane tower.

[BookEND]

You need some kind of choke point when building your base, so that the Warden will think twice about entering the base... Or will get whooped by the Arcane tower...

If you're harassed while creeping try to surround with Footies and WE, you may not have enough units but try using some part of the terrain, like pin her up against a tree then surround... that sounds kinky... anyways, if you really feel you have to run to the safety of the tower, do it... it drains mana, warden with no mana is useless...

[Vex.Marquise]

One problem about surrounding warden is that the time she harasses is always around the first night as heros come out and u haev a few foots. So surround is easily countered by a shadowmeld. Best just to scare her off and not waste ur time waiting for her to un meld or the next daylight to come.

[Zythius]

Just send all you've got on her(foots and WE's + hero)

It's when you try to run and dont attack her she gets strong...

[Willy]

I just realized that Arcane towers are pretty useless, except from their physical factor. When people see a Arcane tower they think: "Oh noes, if I go into that base all my mana will be gone in 2 seconds, I best stay away." Well, the Arcane Tower "steals" 4 mana per hit from heroes, so it's really not a big deal, but it'll keep them out of your base, at a certain extent.

Lately, I've come up with a new "tactic." Since my last 27 games was against UD, they always come with their DK's and Wands of Necromancy, and coil my creeps/WE's, so if I creep with them running around I'm practically helping them creeping. What you do, is to follow the DK, just have one finger on the 'm' key, and follow the DK. When you think that you're in a good position, spam the 'm' key and press the DK. If you manage to surround him, he will either lose his hero, or TP out, so it's a win/win situation. Sometimes you will need to manually micro separate footmen, but you'll get the hang of it soon enough.

[Horus]

I just realized that Arcane towers are pretty useless, except from their physical factor. When people see a Arcane tower they think: "Oh noes, if I go into that base all my mana will be gone in 2 seconds, I best stay away." Well, the Arcane Tower "steals" 4 mana per hit from heroes, so it's really not a big deal, but it'll keep them out of your base, at a certain extent.

Lately, I've come up with a new "tactic." Since my last 27 games was against UD, they always come with their DK's and Wands of Necromancy, and coil my creeps/WE's, so if I creep with them running around I'm practically helping them creeping. What you do, is to follow the DK, just have one finger on the 'm' key, and follow the DK. When you think that you're in a good position, spam the 'm' key and press the DK. If you manage to surround him, he will either lose his hero, or TP out, so it's a win/win situation. Sometimes you will need to manually micro separate footmen, but you'll get the hang of it soon enough.

Only decent post in this thread, the rest of the posts is just exactly copiing what I said...

[Pugnare]

If you surround the warden and she hides quickly press hold position, militia a peasant, and run it to the goblin lab for a reveal. otherwise just run your am to a merchant and buy some dust.

[Jinjo]

Actually, I just remembered one of the best tactics against the warden. You have to run your AM around back of your footies next to trees or something. If she tries to get to your AM, then she's taking a ton of hits off of your footies. The warden isn't hard to kill. Stay far away enough so that she can't shadowstrike your AM.

[badman_007]

I would say something but it is probally the same as the copys of what you guys are saying bored...

[slayer]

Set ur base up like in this (http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=2349&R=2) replay. Unless she gets level 2 (rarely happens while harassing simply bocl the entrance to ur base and it's gg warden ;)

[Raven.Icon]

All u got to do is go for surround kill vs warden. Since a warden has a melee attack, once he hits am, go for a quick surround. U can pull it off w/ total of 4 units. So it can be 3 foot+am or 2 foot+am+we

Even if u dont sucseed, u'll prob scare him away.

[bladedruid]

Well since im usually the Warden in this situation :D i would say you should just summon a WE and run into your base and hide among the peasents, but really an arcane tower doesn't cost much, and a warden without mana cant do much

[LostBoy]

keep that warden dead or it will end you

fan of knives is killer vs pessents :\

[zG)HoPe]

The only type of harassment i worry about from a warden is when she power creeps then uses fan of knives on peasnasts and then blinks out.... that is true harassment when she shadow strikes my am or mk w/e its a joke cuz it ssoo easy to stop

[HyBReD]

The Arcane Tower IS the only way if you enjoy winning. :)

[future2501]

when warden comes, quit the game cuz u are a noob if u cant stop warden harassment when u have an arcane tower.

I hate even saying that you suck for this quote you pompus ass. Have some compassion on developing players.

Warden harass. Usually happens when creeping if she is good. Run away fromthe creeps, summon a WE and group your foots together . Then run around you WE while your foots and WE eat away at her. She wont be able to catch your AM because the computers AI will run her strait into the WE, and cause her to re-adjust her line of attack. That will leave her with SS, but ever time she uses it she stops. When she stops the foots nail her. After a few seconds of this, she will usually use her last SS on a weakend footy and TP out or just plain run.

A dead foot soldier is a very small price to pay for her TP. This may sound complicated but just remember to just move the AM not the foots or WE.

[catalyst9.2]

you don't really get that much xp from killing a level 1 hero do you?

I'm not saying a surround is not a good idea - it is, but you've gotta micro at least 3 units while your opponent only has to micro one. It's not hard realise that they have a better chance of out microing you, even if you almost get a surround.