Balance for sange and yasha

[riotoblivion]

sup all. what do u guys think of sange and yasha. imo this item should be greatly nerfed or deleted. why? simply because this item takes no skill and it gives HP and attack speed and the very powerful maim. nearly every hero in dota gets sange and yasha. without fail in everygame u will see at least 5 Sange and yasha's . whats your thinking about this item? hope to see good comments

[ZBtheman]

sup all. what do u guys think of sange and yasha. imo this item should be greatly nerfed or deleted. why? simply because this item takes no skill and it gives HP and attack speed and the very powerful maim. nearly every hero in dota gets sange and yasha. without fail in everygame u will see at least 5 Sange and yasha's . whats your thinking about this item? hope to see good comments
it costs fairly much and it is very very balanced

[SMRT]

I think it's generally alright, maybe make the sny recipe > 1k.

[KarimArabu]

imbalanced ..no way its a poor item i always see it on only 1 or max 2 heroes the rest just gather gold 4 more "imbalanced" items so learn dota pls and dont open threads of DOTA IMBALANCEz we have enough of elf "imba" threads

[NEoob]

imbalanced ..no way its a poor item i always see it on only 1 or max 2 heroes the rest just gather gold 4 more "imbalanced" items so learn dota pls and dont open threads of DOTA IMBALANCEz we have enough of elf "imba" threads

It is rather overpriced for what it actually does. It is quite good on a few agility heros, but for most there are much better options. I don't think you can judge the balance of an item by how often it is used in pub. games. It is actually not used that much at high levels of play. So ya, I think it is fine the way it is.

[Dance]

manta and guinsoo still need nerf.

[Meslimbor]

yea if u wanna talk about imba there are more imba things out there in dota

[Eternal Soul]

that items already been nerfed...

[AvengerxZ]

It is rather overpriced for what it actually does. It is quite good on a few agility heros, but for most there are much better options. I don't think you can judge the balance of an item by how often it is used in pub. games. It is actually not used that much at high levels of play. So ya, I think it is fine the way it is.It is to a degree. With some physical damage heroes such as faceless void or siper (who is actually used in clan matchs by quite a few teams) it is the item to get. Good surviability with extra health and move speed makes you hard to catch, especially on faceless. Your point stands, though.

[rizzle]

i think its fine the way it is. its reallt effective especially when used with a basher

[NEoob]

i think its fine the way it is. its reallt effective especially when used with a basher

Doesn't basher mess up S & Y's maim effect?

[AvengerxZ]

Why would it? Bash isn't an orb effect. The only way I see that it could ever mess up is if maim and bash went off on the same attack and the game only lets one happen per attack.

[riotoblivion]

hmm.. u gotta see . in clan matches u go sniper and go straight sny, . then u go backstab with your teammate and with the maim effect. its sure kill. maybe they need to nerf the item abit. they give alil too much str? and once u get sny your attack speed goes x2

[AvengerxZ]

hmm.. u gotta see . in clan matches u go sniper and go straight sny, . then u go backstab with your teammate and with the maim effect. its sure kill. maybe they need to nerf the item abit. they give alil too much str? and once u get sny your attack speed goes x2That can easily be avoided by observer wards and being careful of where enemy heroes are. Sniper, like clinkz, isn't very good in large fights. Still he is a valuable hero in all games.

[mroZoZrout]

sniper its much better with besher and 4 example hyperstone or better with MoM. and with 2 beshers its nearly sure kill every time u hit a guy coz u stun so often. I never go S&Y with him

[riotoblivion]

ok but u guys didnt see that . ALMOST EVERY HERO. (yes its like 90% heros even int) goes sange and yasha. is this dota game becoming sny dota?. i really hate looking heros going sange and yasha. without fail, u see like 60% of the agi/str players going SNY.its like NO FUN

[AvengerxZ]

I do see your point, but it is still a balanced item. There are much better options but S&Y is just easy to use and gives immediate benefits. I'd rather have people going S&Y than mass necronomicons or something (which people already do and is incredibly lame).

[riotoblivion]

yes but u see necrominions suck once they come late game. sny is so freaking useful. avenger i think your a old player so i talk about past versions.
the very very useful bashers since 5.++ versions. heros always go basher for agi? but we get mass sny now.and bashers simply suck now. i got like 3 bashers for troll with rampage and i cant even perma bash him a single time for a few battles.

[Dakonblackblade]

Ok another thing to say to you pro players. Sange and yasha is a nice game because it does fot the NOOB player thnings he should do , like getting hp on his agility hero.How many times you played a sniper and drow with 700 hp in level 11?Now sange does give them hp at a nice price and more important gradually/First you get the belt and so goes on and on. The laugh with the item is getting yasha first.Now we have a llil bit faster hero with 700 hp again in level 11.I hope you get my point.Its not the maim effect the trouble.Is the hp it gives.But that players should get nevertheless.If you kinda think about it its not imba.SAnge is strength item which helps hp but not dmg on agilty heroew, who use it more often.It doesnt give mana (very important) and not dmg.Aand it costs about 5000.The trick is the nice building ''curve''.Therefore a balanced item made to help noob players (and a nice solution in hard times)

[AvengerxZ]

yes but u see necrominions suck once they come late game. sny is so freaking useful. avenger i think your a old player so i talk about past versions.
the very very useful bashers since 5.++ versions. heros always go basher for agi? but we get mass sny now.and bashers simply suck now. i got like 3 bashers for troll with rampage and i cant even perma bash him a single time for a few battles.I've actually only played from the very early stages of 6.xx. I just play this game religiously and very competatively, CAL, scrim quite a bit, regular clan practice and such. Yeah, it is a great item, there is no denying it. It is very expensive but doesn't appear to be so because of the very cheap pieces to build up to the item instead a few large ones and an expensive recipe. It helps out new players, as Dakon said, because of the strength. Yasha is good, it gives +26% IAS, and does help quite a bit with escapes so long as they don't have a shit load of disables or slows. Necronomicons are good early - mid but it is very easy to farm for and gives very very good benefits for all heroes. Don't mean to stray off topic though, haha, I just rant about this stuff. Just so I can vent, we lost our first CAL match tonight against clan TMD :(. We played so terribly... very upsetting.

[NEoob]

The trick is the nice building ''curve''.Therefore a balanced item made to help noob players (and a nice solution in hard times)

I agree. For agility heros, getting boots of elvinskin and blade of alacrity very early in the game makes a big impact. They are very nice early agility items.

[riotoblivion]

I've actually only played from the very early stages of 6.xx. I just play this game religiously and very competatively, CAL, scrim quite a bit, regular clan practice and such. Yeah, it is a great item, there is no denying it. It is very expensive but doesn't appear to be so because of the very cheap pieces to build up to the item instead a few large ones and an expensive recipe. It helps out new players, as Dakon said, because of the strength. Yasha is good, it gives +26% IAS, and does help quite a bit with escapes so long as they don't have a shit load of disables or slows. Necronomicons are good early - mid but it is very easy to farm for and gives very very good benefits for all heroes. Don't mean to stray off topic though, haha, I just rant about this stuff. Just so I can vent, we lost our first CAL match tonight against clan TMD :(. We played so terribly... very upsetting.
which server u play? maybe i can play with u sometimes..

[AvengerxZ]

which server u play? maybe i can play with u sometimes..West, clan SUMO. Come by any time.

[riotoblivion]

West, clan SUMO. Come by any time.
ok. i also play in west. riotchan[etny] #clan etny. drop by sometimes :D

[Pieces]

I've actually only played from the very early stages of 6.xx. I just play this game religiously and very competatively, CAL, scrim quite a bit, regular clan practice and such. Yeah, it is a great item, there is no denying it. It is very expensive but doesn't appear to be so because of the very cheap pieces to build up to the item instead a few large ones and an expensive recipe. It helps out new players, as Dakon said, because of the strength. Yasha is good, it gives +26% IAS, and does help quite a bit with escapes so long as they don't have a shit load of disables or slows. Necronomicons are good early - mid but it is very easy to farm for and gives very very good benefits for all heroes. Don't mean to stray off topic though, haha, I just rant about this stuff. Just so I can vent, we lost our first CAL match tonight against clan TMD :(. We played so terribly... very upsetting.

My team is 2-0-3 in caleague, we haven't lost a game with sentinel yet, but we got paired against 3 good-very good teams :/

ANB (Activate the negro beam - disbanded team with 3-4 members in Clan TDA including Barcode) and Shen and Dota Elite Force.

clan hi is my team name ;) we have pro account names like 'lag' and 'o_o' in the clan

[AvengerxZ]

My team is 2-0-3 in caleague, we haven't lost a game with sentinel yet, but we got paired against 3 good-very good teams :/

ANB (Activate the negro beam - disbanded team with 3-4 members in Clan TDA including Barcode) and Shen and Dota Elite Force.

clan hi is my team name ;) we have pro account names like 'lag' and 'o_o' in the clanWe've only lost one game as sentinel and it was a fluke... we just played really horribly. I'm not saying the team that beat us (TMD) is bad, we just could have some SO much better. Good luck with the rest of your season, though.

[Elemental.]

Quick questiona bout Sange & Yasha Item - what does the 10% maim do? Does it work on heros?

[blaze]

Maim slows a unit down, stops them from running. Yes, it works on heroes.

[snucke]

S&Y is a very bad item. I can't even get why people use that item.
On every hero that have some slow or stun effect, it's better to go pure damage. I talk about a fast mkb or even deso.

I just laugh when I see mortred with s&y. You have slow with ss, you have blink. With more damage instead of S&Y you will own much more.

That was just one example of many. However, there are some few heros that need S&Y. Spiritbreaker for example.