Your favorite Dota:Allstars hero/item build

[Grommash]

Well, lets see how good dota players here are, by posting your fav item build for you most fav hero, and am just gonna start off with mine:

Hero: teh Blade Master ! (Juggernaut -.-)

Build:2 Wraith Bands, Power Treads, Perseverance, Deffisual blade==>Manta, Butterfly, Perseverance ==>Battle Fury.

[NEoob]

Well, lets see how good dota players here are, by posting your fav item build for you most fav hero, and am just gonna start off with mine:

Hero: teh Blade Master ! (Juggernaut -.-)

Build:2 Wraith Bands, Power Treads, Perseverance, Deffisual blade==>Manta, Butterfly, Perseverance ==>Battle Fury.

Thats a decent Juggy build, but try getting 2 nulls insted of 2 wrtaiths. You might think I am crazy, but try it. Since Juggy has such little manna early game it really helps get you kills because you need fury and omni to get you kills, not more dmg. stats from wraiths. More manna = more fury and omni = more early kills. I love manta and butterfly on Juggy :D!!! But I think there are better items than Battle Fury to get on Juggy. I would say S&Y, or even Linken's is better than batle fury.

I will post again later with my fav. build on my fav. hero. I need to think abou it a little.

[Grommash]

Thats a decent Juggy build, but try getting 2 nulls insted of 2 wrtaiths. You might think I am crazy, but try it. Since Juggy has such little manna early game it really helps get you kills because you need fury and omni to get you kills, not more dmg. stats from wraiths. More manna = more fury and omni = more early kills. I love manta and butterfly on Juggy :D!!! But I think there are better items than Battle Fury to get on Juggy. I would say S&Y, or even Linken's is better than batle fury.

I will post again later with my fav. build on my fav. hero. I need to think abou it a little.

Ya, first of all i do have a perseverance in this build so i guess am set for mana regeneration, plus the 6+ inta from robe of magi (deffisual requirements), and 2nd of all the battle fury is just for te more 50 dmg i can get + the great famring ability not to mention that splash dmg does stack with Jugge's critical so... 1 critical = 1 wave of creeps gged xd , and i already have perseverance have so why not upgrade it into a battle fury? am just saying its an item that i would get after manta and butterfly for more dmg to add up to my critical. : ]

[NEoob]

Ya, first of all i do have a perseverance in this build so i guess am set for mana regeneration, plus the 6+ inta from robe of magi (deffisual requirements), and 2nd of all the battle fury is just for te more 50 dmg i can get + the great famring ability not to mention that splash dmg does stack with Jugge's critical so... 1 critical = 1 wave of creeps gged xd , and i already have perseverance have so why not upgrade it into a battle fury? am just saying its an item that i would get after manta and butterfly for more dmg to add up to my critical. : ]

Juggy doesn't really have mana problems in mid and late game and like you said, with pres. you are set. What I was talking about is early game. Juggy has a hard time getting kills against decent players early game because of mana shortage. I didn't say battlefury is a bad item, I just said that I think there are better items to get for him. That is just my opinion and there is nothing wrong with you getting battlefury. There are alot of situations in DotA where it just comes down to what you like, and if you like battlefury then it is a good item. ;).

[LearningHuman]

On Jugg I like to get my items in this order, and the occasional Flask inbetween.

-Wraith Band
-Boots
-Gloves
-Belt of Giant Strength
-Power Treads Recipe
-Ogre Axe
-Sange Recipe
-Blade of Alacrity
-Boots of Elvenskin
-Yasha Recipe
-Sange & Yasha Recipe
-Gauntlets of Strength
-Mithril Hammer
-Basher Recipe
and if the game goes passed 60 mins I get...
-Sacred Relic
-Radiance Recipe

I find S&Y to be extremely useful on him early. The HP bonus and Extra Damage/Speed is great. Not to mention if you get a maim with Jugg that hero, unless he has 2 types of disable or blink is dead. Maim if you target a hero while in Blade Fury has a chance of maiming for those who didn't know.

Jugg is better off going

Level 1 - Blade Fury
2 - Blade Dance
3 - Blade Fury
4 - Blade Dance
5 - Blade Dance
6 - Omnislash
7 - Blade Dance
8 - Blade Fury
9 - Blade Fury
10 - Healing Ward
11 - Omnislash
12 - Healing Ward
13 - Stats
14 - Stats
15 - Stats
16 - Omnislash
ect

I really don't like soloing this Jugg doing the build. I havent really tried it solo yet. The most important thing is trying to get either a First Blood or 2 early hero kills before level 7 and not dying. It's pretty easy to accomplish. Just watch your minimap and look for a low hp hero, anything under 600HP is killable, come in from your lane and try to catch him after a creep wave or as he's running back to his fountain to heal. Make it less obvious that you are coming to another lane by going between creep waves or when you know they don't have vision of you.

I usually range from 8-14 kills using his build, more kills late game obviously, and under 2 deaths depending on how much they are ganking and if I'm just playing well. Using your minimap is key for Jugg. Usually, unless they are retarded and gank you solo, you are going to live anyways because blade fury's 5 seconds of spell immune is enough time for you to spin back to your tower, or into the Fog of War.

[Grommash]

Juggy doesn't really have mana problems in mid and late game and like you said, with pres. you are set. What I was talking about is early game. Juggy has a hard time getting kills against decent players early game because of mana shortage. I didn't say battlefury is a bad item, I just said that I think there are better items to get for him. That is just my opinion and there is nothing wrong with you getting battlefury. There are alot of situations in DotA where it just comes down to what you like, and if you like battlefury then it is a good item. ;).

lawl, ya jugge do have a SERIOUS mana problems very early game, its about 260 mana at lvl 6 (without the hrlp of items of course) and thats barely 1 OmniSlash -.- , haha i guess you're right , its actually good to lose the 6 agillity when switching to nulls, compared to losing 6 inta when using wraith bands.

As for battleFury, its like what you said its situational, i sometimes get a MKB or even a basher or 2 after completing Butterfly and Manta, it depends on the game's length though.

PS : this is not a Jugge's item build thread btw, so i would be more than happy to see some of your fav heroes,builds guys . -.-

[NEoob]

I have a different fav. hero every week, so I will start with a classic..... Sven teh pawner.

3 bracers
boots/treads
healm of dominator
heart
satanic
hyperstone
BDK

Heart and Satanic for tonz of hp and regen/lifesteal makes him almost unkillable. Hyperstone to make up for his biggest weakness wich is slow attack speed. BDK for massive dmg. I know there are a million ways to play Sven, but this is my fav. :naughty:

[riotoblivion]

for every hero. i go 2 branch and 1 ROR first. then i go for the respective.



str heros-
(maybe 2 bracers)
MOM
bashers
heart/satanic

agi heros-
STRAIGHT burize or butterfly
if sniper then i go skadi

int heros-
2 nulls then the respective items for diffrent chars

[NEoob]

for every hero. i go 2 branch and 1 ROR first. then i go for the respective.



str heros-
(maybe 2 bracers)
MOM
bashers
heart/satanic

agi heros-
STRAIGHT burize or butterfly
if sniper then i go skadi


Isn't that kind of boreing? For me, one of the fun things about DotA is tring to come up with the absolute best item combos for each individual hero and make variations on them depending on what heros and items the enemy has. If I had virtually the same build for every hero like that, I would be bored out of my mind.

[MrM00se]

Fav hero is Enigma.

I go sobi mask, bracer(2 if i need it), boots, euls, then either dagger or guinsoos, then the other one, boots of travel, refresher

Might get a BKB pretty early if a lot of stunners.

build is malefice/stats/mal/stats/mal/blackhole/mal/stats/pulse/pulse/hole/pulse/pulse/stats

Works pretty well. Spam stun early with all the mana and harder to kill, then later on you have the black hole/midnight pulse combo later on. Pretty fun to play.

[NEoob]

I know this is off topic, but I didn't want to start another thread about it.... Anwya, why is Sniper so popular in Pubs. I have never played him before until I started messing around with him recently. He is just so boreing. All his item builds are boreing and his play style puts me to sleep. He is so easy and boreing. There are alot of other easy heros for nubs to use that aren't as boreing. So why is he in every pub game on bnet? I just don't get it????

[AvengerxZ]

I know this is off topic, but I didn't want to start another thread about it.... Anwya, why is Sniper so popular in Pubs. I have never played him before until I started messing around with him recently. He is just so boreing. All his item builds are boreing and his play style puts me to sleep. He is so easy and boreing. There are alot of other easy heros for nubs to use that aren't as boreing. So why is he in every pub game on bnet? I just don't get it????I honestly don't know. He's extremely easy to farm with and has a very low learning curve, I guess that just appeals to the masses.

[Grommash]

I know this is off topic, but I didn't want to start another thread about it.... Anwya, why is Sniper so popular in Pubs. I have never played him before until I started messing around with him recently. He is just so boreing. All his item builds are boreing and his play style puts me to sleep. He is so easy and boreing. There are alot of other easy heros for nubs to use that aren't as boreing. So why is he in every pub game on bnet? I just don't get it????

well the Sniper got a huge buff to his agillity in the last map versions, like +1 agillity per level (25 agillity) which really makes up with his headshot skill and his dmg, and the more obvious reason lots of average players choose sniper is cause of his farming abillity (which i think even better than the KOTL), you just need some good mana regeneration and you got the farming going, and late game (lvl16+) you can use that mana for spamming his ulti which has a cool down of 3-4 sec maybe (lawl), nuff said about why ppl likes sniper..

as for me i just think that sniper is kinda cheap in everyway, even early game with his high range camping at the tower mass harassing your attempts of farming... -.- anyway its a comon thing these days to always see sniper, Bone clenkz, Riki ...etc in public games .

[riotoblivion]

agi heros are coming up. we dont see centaur,necrolic,DK. etc etc now. its all about agi heros now. or i should jus say its about sange and yasha now

[Grommash]

agi heros are coming up. we dont see centaur,necrolic,DK. etc etc now. its all about agi heros now. or i should jus say its about sange and yasha now

true, like when you see a bone,sniper,or even a drow ranger with with SnY...retarded i guess, its just that some heroes are better off with a good buriza (which we rarely see these days) or a straight butterfly than SnY, i only buy this item on heroes like the Bloodseeker, who has the damage but needs the HP + attack speed from SnY, or the Chaos Knight for the same reasons.

[simiwizard]

my favorite build is necro 3 and mek with boots of speed

[LearningHuman]

Necromonicon is way overpowered this version. Can't wait to see them make it more expensive, or reduce the creeps damage & HP, or just remove it competely.

[Pieces]

Goblin techies:
Starting with Robe of the Magi
pick up boots / sobi mask / ring of protection / void stone / staff of wizardry
then make another cyclone stick, the bot, then sheep stick... then work on whatever... aegis, linkens, skadi, etc.

[fuzzy.peach]

lol i had pudge today in a game with

travel boots, 2 hearts, battle fury, radiance
its was 2 hour game

[SMRT]

Antimage

RoR -> Treads -> Belt of Str -> Euls -> Obliv Staff -> Guinsoos -> Necromonicon

[riotoblivion]

Necromonicon is way overpowered this version. Can't wait to see them make it more expensive, or reduce the creeps damage & HP, or just remove it competely.
if u wanna talk about this item . why not talk about sange and yasha first?

[Grommash]

if u wanna talk about this item . why not talk about sange and yasha first?

nothing is wrong with SnY as of right now.... necromonicon on the other hand is going to get nerfed in the next few versions (accourding to IceFrog here: announcment by IceFrog last night (http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=34072) ) which i think needs to be, i mean the mana burnS and the 100 smg minions plus the 12% speed aura, 24 ina, 14 str, true sight, is just too much for just 5350 gold imo .

[Mortifer]

Pandaren Battlemaster:

Ring of Health > Bracer > Bracer >Boots of Speed > Kelen´s Dagger of Escape > Preservance [Void Stone] > Power Treads > Sange and Yasha > Heart of Tarrasque > Battlefury [Mithril Hammer & Claymore] > Monkey King Bar

[Grommash]

Pandaren Battlemaster:

Ring of Health > Bracer > Bracer >Boots of Speed > Kelen´s Dagger of Escape > Preservance [Void Stone] > Power Treads > Sange and Yasha > Heart of Tarrasque > Battlefury [Mithril Hammer & Claymore] > Monkey King Bar

that is a very similar build to mine when using panda, except i go satanic instead of heart, reasons is, panda really NEEDS the extra 5 armor cause his armor at lvl 16 is like what, 6 ? lawl, and also the panda depends on his attacks a lot so life steal is MUCH more effective than the 11 hp reg/sec, his criticals gives some crazy life steals when it triggers, so overall Satanic>Heart on panda.

[Mortifer]

i see your point, altough getting a satanic cancles out the maim from SnY, and SnY is VERY expensive if maim dosent work, and i want the boosts from SnY badly, especially movement speed is very usefull, and maim is very good since panda got nothing to disable with other then clap, wich is only a half disable imho. (not counting ultimate form of course)

i usually have no trouble surviving at all, blink dagger and in worst case scenario ultimate form to escape give me quite the survivability. but if you really have problems surviving late game i suggest getting something else then the Monkey King Bar, like another heart or the likes.

[Grommash]

i see your point, altough getting a satanic cancles out the maim from SnY, and SnY is VERY expensive if maim dosent work, and i want the boosts from SnY badly, especially movement speed is very usefull, and maim is very good since panda got nothing to disable with other then clap, wich is only a half disable imho. (not counting ultimate form of course)

i usually have no trouble surviving at all, blink dagger and in worst case scenario ultimate form to escape give me quite the survivability. but if you really have problems surviving late game i suggest getting something else then the Monkey King Bar, like another heart or the likes.

hmm no actually, the life leech orb from satanic DOESN'T cancel the S&Y orb maim effect ! and thats whats makes s&y a good item on a lot of heroes, you see it does say that its an orb effect on the s&y recipe, BUT its only 10% chance, means that you WILL get your life leech from satanic, but when the maim effect's chance triggers, you GONNA GET A MAIM EFFECT for that one attack, and then you will go back to the life leeching. : ]

oh and one more thing, i also get nulls instead of bracers on panda, reasons is, he has 3 skills to use with such a high mana cost on each (especially his ulti) but his mana pool are kinda LAME so you WILL NEED the nulls BADLY early game.

[Mortifer]

im going to check that up, but im pretty sure i dont get maim but whatever, since im not 100% im not gona say your corect...

and about the nulls or bracers, well that depends a lot on your build and playstyle.

personally i dont choose drunken haze ever unless im up against at least 2 very high dps heroes, since the 17% slow is pretty negliable and it has a pretty bad duration time, stats is so much more rewarding. And at early levels you wont be using your Ulti a lot, since its pretty bad less then lvl 3 and very mana costly for what it gives.

My skillbuild starts out with battle mastery, then maxes thunder clap as fast as possible, and battlemastery in between at lvl 6 i choose ulti to get an extra way to run in case i get ganked (wich people seem to love trying), after battlemastery and thunderclap is maxed, i go stats til lvl 15 where i choose ulti and ulti lvl 16, then max stats, and lastly drunken haze.

this way i have enough mana all the time, and as earlier mentioned the ulti isnt really usefull in offensive before lvl 3. Of course its situational, if enemy team consists of high DPS heroes i will get drunken haze instead of stats to negate them hits.

ill get back about the maim and lifesteal, altough if These (http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=33822) Tables are corect, im right, but for the sake of it im gona try it out myself.


After some pretty excessive testing killing around a hundred mobs equipped with satanic SnY and soul boosters i have yet to see oen single maim, wheras without the satanic they occour frequently, so sorry to say it (and i would have been happy if i was wrong) but lifesteal DO take priority over Maim. or i have the worst luck in history.

[Grommash]

After some pretty excessive testing killing around a hundred mobs equipped with satanic SnY and soul boosters i have yet to see oen single maim, wheras without the satanic they occour frequently, so sorry to say it (and i would have been happy if i was wrong) but lifesteal DO take priority over Maim. or i have the worst luck in history.

wow you know what, i just tested it mins ago, and it really doesn't stack ! hmm, i was sure about s&y being the only orb effect that stacks, really strange that it doesn't, -.- but i dunno maybe its the new 6.28 version or something? cause i still remember getting maims + life steal for sure, i remember i was playing spirt breaker back then (before the 6.28 came out iirc) i had s&y and satanic on him, but still got a maim effect, lawl, but now that it doesn't work... am gonna have to change LOTS of my hero builds, tt.

anyways about panda's ultimate, its really used through out the whole game, but not mainly for the offensive damage, i only use it to make sure i get a tower kill or to esceap gangs/near death situations, so you definitely need that early games too.

[Mortifer]

im not sure how long it has been like this, but im pretty sure lifesteal has had priority for quite some time, and i wonder how it would have been something else, but lets not argure over that. The only orb effect that stacks 100% is ranged cold attack (ranged skadi) and lifesteal, take not that this dose not work for melee cold attacks.

Yeah about the ultimate, if of course forgott to mention that its usefull as a towerkiller yes. But the points is before lvl 15 you dont really have the mana to support use of more then lvl 1 nulls or not. Also for tower killing and escpaing lvl 1 is sufficient, therfore i choose to get lvl 2 and 3 on lvl 15 and 16, becuse at lvl 3 the ultimate is a force to be reckoned with, and at lvl 3 its worth the mana.

[FantasyFight3rX]

My favorite hero is the Anti-Mage. This is my build

Boots of Speed > Gloves of Haste > Point Booster(since he has low hp and mana) > Ring of Health > Void Stone[Perserverance] > [Power Treads] > Gloves of Haste > [Hand of Midas] > Stout Shield > Planeswalker's Cloak > Plate Mail > [Aegis] > Eaglehorn > Quarterstaff > [Butterfly] > Claymore > Mithril Hammer > [Battle Fury]

These items all help Magina. Hand of Midas helps because he isn't too good at farming, and the increase in attack speed. Power Treads and Butterfly for attack speed also. I feel that the more he attacks, the more mana he burns. The Aegis along with a level 4 Spell Shield, gives him a 75% spell damage decrese. The Battle Fury is for the cleave(I think that a cleave attack reduces mana, if not, then I will probably change that). The Point Booster is for his low hp and mana early and mid game. If the game goes on long enough, I upgrade it to soul booster.

[Mortifer]

playing magina i like to get sheepstick for disable, and blink dagger is also very nice for double blink =)

[Ninix23]

any strenght hero

boot>bracers(2)>thread>basher>crystalist>buryz

[CursedChimera]

Shadow Shaman
Void Stone
Robe
Staff Of Wizardry
= GG ward surround

[Daemon_Rex]

Stealth Assassin

boots , lothars , blink dagger , 100 * tree eating things

[DragonMage2x]

This is my build for Bone Clinkz, it's worked pretty well.

Chicken, Circlet of Nobility, Flask of Sapphire Water to start.

You can skip chicken if you want, or if you randomed him, work on your Bracer.
I always get chickens so I never lose experience.

Get a Bracer instead of a Wraith Band because Bracers help Clinkz with his low life, and thats his main weakness. If you're getting heavy nuked, I suggest a RoR. Then Treads, and build S&Y (Yasha first) Don't skip treads and just get boots, the 30% IAS makes a big difference in the beginning when you're creeping.

After S&Y, Buriza, then Butterfly, then after that it doesn't really matter. Aegis, another Buriza, or Rapier if you're owning.



For skill builds, I go
Searing Arrows
Wind Walk
Searing Arrows
Wind Walk
Searing Arrows
Death Pact
Searing Arrows
Wind Walk
Wind Walk
Death Pact
Strafe
Strafe
Strafe
Strafe
Attribute Bonus
Death Pact
Attribute
"
"
etc.

I don't get strafe in the beginning because you don't do enough damage for it to be any good. You should have your S&Y by the time you get your first level of Strafe.

This build has gotten me 3 Beyond Godlikes in my past 4 games.

[Grommash]

This is my build for Bone Clinkz, it's worked pretty well.

Chicken, Circlet of Nobility, Flask of Sapphire Water to start.

You can skip chicken if you want, or if you randomed him, work on your Bracer.
I always get chickens so I never lose experience.

Get a Bracer instead of a Wraith Band because Bracers help Clinkz with his low life, and thats his main weakness. If you're getting heavy nuked, I suggest a RoR. Then Treads, and build S&Y (Yasha first) Don't skip treads and just get boots, the 30% IAS makes a big difference in the beginning when you're creeping.

After S&Y, Buriza, then Butterfly, then after that it doesn't really matter. Aegis, another Buriza, or Rapier if you're owning.



For skill builds, I go
Searing Arrows
Wind Walk
Searing Arrows
Wind Walk
Searing Arrows
Death Pact
Searing Arrows
Wind Walk
Wind Walk
Death Pact
Strafe
Strafe
Strafe
Strafe
Attribute Bonus
Death Pact
Attribute
"
"
etc.

I don't get strafe in the beginning because you don't do enough damage for it to be any good. You should have your S&Y by the time you get your first level of Strafe.

This build has gotten me 3 Beyond Godlikes in my past 4 games.

S&Y is whats wrong with that build imo, i mean how good can it be on a bone? i think its just the 300 bonus hp you're looking for there? mean bone already has more than enuogh attack speed (straf) and his wind walk gives him an increaed 40% movment speed, S&Y costs 5000 gold, and it wont benefit bone that much, since all he need is pure damage i guess, as for his hp problem, i suggest going Eye of skadi after 2 wraiths/bracers, Treads, Buriza of course, and notice that the cold attack from Skadi STACKS with bone's searing arrows ! just get the "point booster" part of skadi before starting with buriza, that will give you an important 200 hp/100 mana and then you can surrvive the whole way up to skadi, after that point its basically gg i guess, you have a very powerfull slow attack+ huge hp, and very nice criticals with his straf attack speed. GG

Stealth Assassin

boots , lothars , blink dagger , 100 * tree eating things

i hope you're just joking with this build. : ]

[Mortifer]

yeah, imho Skadi is the way to go since it stacks with seering, altough bones is pretty boring to play anyways =)

[AhhWhatever]

The Nerubian Assassin:
1.Manaburn
2.Impale
3.Manaburn
4.Impale
5.Impale
6.Vendetta
7.Impale
8.Manaburn
9.Manaburn
10.Stats
11.Vendetta
12.Stats
13.Stats/Carapace (only if i need armor badly or vs mass melee)
14.Stats/Carapace
15.Stats/Carapace
16.Vendetta
17.-25.Max out whatever is left.
The items:
1.RoR
2.Sobi Mask
3.Boots
4.Null Talisman
5.Dagon (only lvl1 mostly because i dont see the usefulness of 100dmg for 1350 g)
6.Boots=>Boots of Travel
7.Sobi Mask=>Eul's(If i havent made a basilus out of it yet)
8.S&Y or Guinsoo's (S&Y if i dont need and extra disable, but need a MS buff for chasing. In this case i usualy dont bother going for Eul's at all).
9.Addapt to what may need some counters, otherwise just mass dmg.

I usualy carry a Scroll of TP, because this build requires a lot of mana but mostly lacks some regen (untill i get a Eul's, if i do at all)to give place for extra dmg/protection. With the scroll i can TP to the fountain and get back with Travels in a matter of seconds.

Edit:
Talking about Clinkz... i usualy go for a Stygian Desolator as a higher level item first. The -6 armor really works wonders. And yes, i know Searing and Desolator dont stack directly - u start with a Desolator and then activate Searing. The time the armor reduction lasts is usualy enough for a kill if the target isnt a Str hero.
If im not mistaken skandi should work with this combo aswell (after u activate Searing), but im not 100% sure which overrides normaly.

[Mortifer]

eye of skadi would not work with that combo since stygian desolator since one of the items would override the other (cant rember wich one right now).

[coin_BA]

phantom lancer

i dont know why, i just like him :)

+ u give him good critical and speed....ouch

[zyfah]

Bloodseeker

threads, sange&yasha, butterfly. And maybe some wraiths early game.
and not learning his first ability before lvl18-19

Furion

Teleport is imba :D I get desolator and buriza with him, mby hyperstone too

That was 2 heroes, yes i know ^^

[Mortifer]

SnY is a waste on bloodseeker especially with treads

and for phantom lancer manta style > all

[zyfah]

SnY is a waste on bloodseeker especially with treads

and for phantom lancer manta style > all

Why is SnY a waste on bloodseeker? It fits him perfect

[Mortifer]

the point is with lvl 4 Thirst and power treads you already reached the movement speed cap, meaning the 10% movement speed will be wasted money, and the maim is wasted to as long as you use Rupture. If i had to choose orb effect item on bloodseeker i would go with stygian desolator (for some MEAN damage) or Eye of Skadi wich provides slow but also a very good amount of statbuffs.

[pAciFic]

my favorite has the be the Stealth Assassin
and with him i get boots to treads, and after that i get radiance
the radiance aura plus the invisibility is amazing, u can farm so easily and it helps when u're taking out heros because it does so much damage, and with backstab and blinkstrike he already does some good dmg later on in the game so the +70 from the radience is great
after that if the game lasts any longer i go straight for either the butterfly of burriza, depending on the other team's heros

[Peonusmadar]

My fav. is Abaddon.
I usually start with boots and water.
After that I get sange and yasha, 1 or 2 bashers. The item build after this really depends on the situation.
Skills: Shield, frost attack,shield,frost,shield,borrowed time,frost,frost,shield,stats&ulti until I have no chioce but mark of don't know what.

[Grommash]

the point is with lvl 4 Thirst and power treads you already reached the movement speed cap, meaning the 10% movement speed will be wasted money, and the maim is wasted to as long as you use Rupture. If i had to choose orb effect item on bloodseeker i would go with stygian desolator (for some MEAN damage) or Eye of Skadi wich provides slow but also a very good amount of statbuffs.

ok think about what weaknesses the Bloodseeker has now,the damage from the first skill+ultimate is more than enough, he lacks of hp and the kinda low attack speed (for an agillity hero) thugh, now to fix this, he needs some hp and some attackspeed for sure, and S&Y should provide this hero with both+nice movment bonus, also if you're going for a straight stygian desplator (which costs only about 500 less than S&Y), your hero is gonna suffer being SO fragile especially to nukes/stuns and doesn't attack as fast as with a S&Y, notice that most of the agillity heroes get an item that gives hp+, in bloodseeker's case he doesn't have a lot of choices to do, S&Y for mid game is what he nees IMO, of course a butter/buriza later games for obvious reasons.

[Mortifer]

well as i see it SnY is a terribly expensive item on bloodseeker since the movement speed boost is only gained when you not use thirst. and the maim is almost worthless. Indeed your right str/agi is what bloodseeker need, not as much the IAS as the HP though. I admit i might have been a bit to harsh when SnY is a complete waste for bloodseeker as it boosts him a in a good way, altough its VERY expensive for what it gives.

I recomend statring of with bracers for a +12 STR boost.

And mind you stygian desolator wasnt the only thing I stated, from my experience is Eye of Skadi a very viable item for Strygwyr, and the parts of this item is boosting his stats as well as the final item.

Another very viable item for Bloodseeker is the BKB. Now why would you want avatar it cancles Bloodrage, well thats the whole point. With BKB you can cancle Bloodrage at will, meaning you can unsilence yourself at will to get access to rupture and thirst. Apart from that it provides with a nice str boost.

Only my opinions but i find SnY to expensive when i dont benefit from the movement speed (other then in regular "mode") and the maim (not much at least).

[iFaTe]

An antimage with Euls, obliv staff,Guinsoos and necrominicon? :(
Omg :whistling
I both think and hope that you dont really mean putting those items on magina!? :annoyed:
I mean how much good does a boost of 18+6+25+15 intelligence do on a agility hero with minimal mana usage?
- Not any good at all, i can promise you thats just wasting money. If you go for this itembuild you prolly wont even get it, that however depends a lot on the skill of opposing team.
Which was the hero you really ment to put all those items on?
to be honest I cant think of one single hero who hasnt got a better possible itembuild than that one but it can be ok depending on hero.. :blush:
Not something I would recommend for any hero, though..

[AhhWhatever]

eye of skadi would not work with that combo since stygian desolator since one of the items would override the other (cant rember wich one right now).
U didnt get my idea (btw i just checked it and the orb combo is possible):
1.Searing arrow off
2.Shoot Stygian Desolator
3.Searing arrow on
4.Shoot with Searing and Skandi

Sygian overrides Skandis orb normaly, however Searing overrides ALL orb effects and stacks with Skandi thus giving Skandi the ability to work.

[KoGs]

I don't necessarily have a fixed build. It all depends on how good/bad I am doing (ie. how much money I have). At what point I need to go back to heal (since I am there I might as well buy something). Even what heroes they have determines what items I need (like if I am have a low hp hero and the hero(s) opposite me is range I will need more hp items than usual).

[RCury]

My fav hero is the Lycan, but I don´t really know a good build order for him, any suggestion?

[Grommash]

My fav hero is the Lycan, but I don´t really know a good build order for him, any suggestion?

my useuall build for this hero is:

starting with 2 bracers, boots, helm of the dominator, complete treads, complete satanic, basher, another basher, sell 1 bracer and get a hyperstone, gg permabash tank. : ]

[Peonusmadar]

FantasyFight3rX, you mean the silencer not magina right?

[Lee-volution]

U didnt get my idea (btw i just checked it and the orb combo is possible):
1.Searing arrow off
2.Shoot Stygian Desolator
3.Searing arrow on
4.Shoot with Searing and Skandi

Sygian overrides Skandis orb normaly, however Searing overrides ALL orb effects and stacks with Skandi thus giving Skandi the ability to work.
You do know that item placement on your character's slots effect which Orb effect is used, right? :taz:

[Mortifer]

yes, but he is right about how it works.

placement effects some orb effects, this is not the case with stygian and skadi.

[Raven.Icon]

I like to play support heros and assasin heros the most.

My most basic caster build

chicken
2 nulls
boots of travel
Euls to guinsso
aegis
The above is what i usually always get in most games to start off my build. Then i decide what other items i want depending on my hero.

Items which i start getting mid or late games are:

soul booster
manta style
refresher orb
scepter
linkens
loathers -(very good for some caster heros in order to use ulti such as cm or luna)

[riotoblivion]

theres more then 70 heroes i believe in the game. its impossible to state down the most perfect build for every single hero. but wat i can say is that in clan matches mass necro + mass makansm is always gg. unless the earthshaker goes level 16 with dagger............................. :lol:

[AhhWhatever]

You do know that item placement on your character's slots effect which Orb effect is used, right? :taz:
In this case it does not. Corruption will always override Frost Attack on a ranged hero, however it does depend on placement if its a melee hero.

[pacopichawko]

how exactly does item placement effect which orb will be using, for say a melee hero with both skadi and stig, or stig and a leech item...I know moving around which item in which slot can change which orb effect you use, I just don't know the specifics. Can anybody explain?

[AhhWhatever]

how exactly does item placement effect which orb will be using, for say a melee hero with both skadi and stig, or stig and a leech item...I know moving around which item in which slot can change which orb effect you use, I just don't know the specifics. Can anybody explain?
Ill try to explain it this way (feel free to correct me if i have any mistakes here):
[1] [2]
[3] [4]
[5] [6] <== This is ur inventory. Slot [1] has the highest priority and [6] the lowest. For an orb effect to override another (although there are many orb effects that will orverride others no matter where u place the item.) it must be placed in a higher priority slot.
Example:
Skandi's frost effect and Stygian Desolator's Corruption on a melee hero:
If Skandi is placed in slot [1] it will override Corruption (no matter where it is located because Skandi has max priority) and vise versa.

[WtfpwnYou2]

Of course this has to do with your opponents and how the games going but here u go.
Hero= Prophet (Furion)
1. Null 2x
2. Bos to Treads
3. Staff of Wizardry*
4. Blades of Attack*
5. DagOn*
6. 2x Mithril Hammer
7. Desolator

This maby isnt the best build but i haev found it very easy to get quick kills and pretty effective against most heros. Getting kills with furion is so easy if u learn where and when to teleport and tree. This isnt a pushing formula though its more of a formula to try to get kills.

[vahgar]

please give the BO/item list for Tinker Goblins..want to learn how to use him!

[Tk.Scorpian]

My favorite hero is QOP or SA

[AvengerxZ]

please give the BO/item list for Tinker Goblins..want to learn how to use him!Boots of Travel, Guinsoos, Manta Style is all you really need. Teleport to a pushing lane, use march, use manta, rearm and tp out. You get a retarded amount of gold doing this and it makes him a good DPS hero (because of images also getting +damage from guinsoos unlike pure damage items such as mkb) and it keeps people from nuking him because they have to find the real one.

[AhhWhatever]

Of course this has to do with your opponents and how the games going but here u go.
Hero= Prophet (Furion)
1. Null 2x
2. Bos to Treads
3. Staff of Wizardry*
4. Blades of Attack*
5. DagOn*
6. 2x Mithril Hammer
7. Desolator

This maby isnt the best build but i haev found it very easy to get quick kills and pretty effective against most heros. Getting kills with furion is so easy if u learn where and when to teleport and tree. This isnt a pushing formula though its more of a formula to try to get kills.
Yea this Furion build is just priceless :lol: Always fun to play with this 1, however i find him kinda ineffective in some cases like vs blinking heroes or Windwalkers. Nevertheles hes just incredible for ganking people with ur team. No1 can really prepare for a TPing Prophet (well unless they have something like Ancien Tango of whatever, but who buys it anyways?)

[gismodog]

My favorite hero is undoubtedly the QoP.
My build for the QoP, however, is not to be discussed.
(And yes, I did just post so that I could say that).

[elus1ve]

it's only been weeks that i've started playing dota and although i only play with my friends, they've only been teaching me to play tank(centaur, syl bear, etc). I started playing alone on bnet and my favorite hero now is the anti-mage with the agh sceptre. multicasting 5x in a row is a good feeling :>

[vahgar]

Thanks AvengerxZ for that build..but i made a goof wanted for the small goblins(sapper guys) sorry for that! When I get them early game easy to own all int and agi heros with lvl 3 suicide mass moneys..but late game it becomes useless as all lvl up and suicide does not do anything..Is armour the key role here? I mean say lvl 5 suicide which is 1550 AoE and if against a hero with 30% smg reduction that means I cause only 70% of 1550 = 1085 dmg to him?

Currently I try to play with the juggernaut as BladeMaster is my fav hero. The thing is omnilash prolly looks the best graphically (8 times hitting a hero blinking 1/2 a sec is too sexy!!)..but i get owned by agi heros who have Burzai and Hyperstone..:(

Also after omnilash the hero runs away[200 hp] even tho I've got treads..what item shd I get to slow him down other than boots of travel? Is there any such item?

[AvengerxZ]

I have a fairly unorthodox juggernaut build that takes advantage of the early game. It's best if you pair him up with some form of disable for maximum effectiveness on blade fury. Maiden, naga siren, rhasta, lion and any other hero with a decent stun are all good picks. I also start with boots first, the only hero I feel that its really a good choice with. My build usually goes like this (skill and stat wise.)

Skill Build:

Blade Fury (BF)
Stats
BF
Stats
BF
Omnislash
BF
Stats
Stats
Stats
Omnislash
Blade Dance (BD)
BD
BD
BD
Omnislash


Item Build:

Boots of Speed -> Boots of Travel
Circlet x3 -> 3x Wraith Bands / 3x Bracers / Mix of the two
Blade of Alacrity
Boots of Elven Skin
Yasha Recipe
Ogre Axe
Belt of Giant Strength
Sange Recipe
Sange & Yasha Recipe


This is where I feel the build can start to go in a different direction based on what you want to do. If you want more pure damage from Omnislash, go for a MKB. The +90 damage will proc on omnislash just like a regular attack, so the damage adds up nicely. You can also go butterfly for the nice evasion and much needed attack speed. It really depends on what you want and feel is best for the people you are facing. Just a note on Juggernaut here, but omnislash hits many more times than 8 at level 3 omnislash. It is based off your attack speed. The amount listed on the skill is the minimum it will strike, it is usually much higher than that if your attack speed is fast (another reason to get a butterfly.)

[Jedi_Jesus_FTW]

the most IMBA venomancer build in the game!!

spell order:
1.Poison Sting (PS)
2.Shadow Strike (SS)
3.PS
4.SS
5.SS
6.Poison Nova (PN)
7.SS
8.PS
9.PS
10.Attribute (Att)
11.PN
12.Att
13.Att
14.Att
15.Att
16.PN
17- 25. Att til filled, then spam wards


Items:
boots of speed-> soul booster-> turn sould booster into aghanim's scpeter-> butterfly-> monkey king bar-> turn boots of speed into boots of travel-> Eye of Skadi (turns of PS but no problem)-> another mkb if you wish, buriza mayber, hyperstone maybe... last item wont matter its GG already




REASON!!!!:
with scepter, venomancer's ultimate does the HUGE AoE with 108 (i believe) damage per second for 12 seconds! this totals to around 1300 damage to one hero, and if its a 5v5 and you hit all of them, GG over 6000 damage distributed. Not to mention, scepter decreases the cooldown to aroudn 20 seconds!!! Although the ultimate can't be fatal, how about the amazing combination of veno and zeus? veno gets them al to 100 health with just ultimate and BAM zeus gets 5 kills with ultimate. Other items i believe are self explanatory... got a question ask

[AvengerxZ]

It does more like ~950 because of innate hero spell reduction.
Not to mention, scepter decreases the cooldown to aroudn 20 seconds!!!
Do you mean by 20 seconds? If not, you are way off. Very few ultimates have a cooldown lower than a minute, let alone 20 seconds. Regardless, Aghanims is a pretty good choice for Venomancer. Agleed!

[Jedi_Jesus_FTW]

It does more like ~950 because of innate hero spell reduction.

Do you mean by 20 seconds? If not, you are way off. Very few ultimates have a cooldown lower than a minute, let alone 20 seconds. Retardless, Aghanims is a pretty good choice for Venomancer. Agleed!


... and if the hero has aegis it goes down even more... but i normally get it around lvl 13 in a 2v2 and at that point there isnt much magic armour and not much health so its gg with only level 2 ultimate...

Also, try aghanims with veno, it really is 20, if not 30 seconds. no more than 30 though! Its so fast i killed one person with it then i was running from another and before i got back to my base i used it again with my strike and killed the second person too!

i dont play venomancer often, i win too often (i dont mean this to sound like im bragging... its just the truth, i am probably 15-1 all time with veno, and the one loss was before i made this strat and knew scepter worked for him) so my statistics may be a little bit off

[AvengerxZ]

Dude. Get over the fact that you were incorrect. I just personally played a game with Venomancer at level 16 with Aghanim's Scepter and the cooldown was 60 seconds. Do you want me to record it or something? Twenty second would be less than twice the duration of the spell its self. That just isn't the case, nor is 30 seconds, 40 seconds or 50 seconds. It is a minute long cooldown. Plain and simple, yo!

[simiwizard]

... only if you cant tell time

EDIT: and it has to be lvl 3 ultimate for the shortest cooldown

i invite you to make a VOD of you using poison nova at level 16 twice within a timespan of 25 seconds.

edit:no refresher.

[vahgar]

Very nice AvengerxZ. When I used Jugger I got him treads+Sange and Yasha..after that I did have money but spent it on chain armour etc as he was dying to fast. If I have the butterfly/MKB (i can get only 1 too exp) he will omni more than 8 times at lvl 3? I did not know that..also I noticed you have not used his critical strike ability until late game. Wont that potentially reduce the 'extra' dmg he will dish out when he Omnilashes early on as that extra dmg+travel can kill a low level hero early game rather than this stat boost no?

Please give BO/item/skill list for Ryali(crystal maiden) and more imp Goblin Sappers(the guys who lay mines). Thanks! :)

[AvengerxZ]

Early on stats are very important for more mana to blade fury and increase your health to withstand some early game punishment. You can replace the stat points with blade dance early on if you wish but I wouldn't recommend it.

Maiden build orders are generally very similar but they are all very situational. If you are playing with friends you know are reliable and have good AOE damage / AOE disable heroes than I would suggest going for a blink dagger and black king bar(BKB). A more advanced version of that would be to have a friend go omniknight and repel you before you start your combo. Some other typical items for maiden are:

Aghanims - Gives good survivability with large HP and MP boost as well as a nice little buff to her ultimate.
Guinsoos - Adds another disable on top of frostbite, which is always welcome. The item progression up to the completed Guinsoo's is very gold friendly (all pieces are of fairly lost cost) and all benefit maiden to some degree. If your team is lacking in disables then this may be a good item to have. Note that this will not help you survive in any way so it is recommended that you either couple this with a BKB or some other form of health boosting item (vitality booster, point booster, bracers etc.)
Dagon - Makes killing heroes early game a breeze. Frostbite, hit the hero and move closer between each attacks cooldown, frost nova, chase while they are slowed getting hits in when you can and finish it off with a dagon or another frostbite. Gives decent amount of mana but is not an item I recommend for maiden. If you do choose to buy this, do not upgrade it past level 1. The cost to damage ratio isn't all that worth it if you ask me and it will gimp you later in the game if you waste money on it for long.
Linkens - Makes interrupting your freezing field harder to counter because it will require two direct stuns and / or disables to get through to you. This item is a bit harder to farm for than the rest in this list because of the 2300 ultimate orb but the benefits are very very nice.
Lothars - A bit more out of the ordinary for Maiden but it works well with freezing field. If you use lothar's while channeling freezing field you will go invisible but you will not break the channeling of field. This makes it incredibly hard to break your channeling of the spell unless the other team has a necronomicon lvl 3, gem or happen to buy some sentry wards. They can always stun with AOE stuff but it's still a wonderful item to get on her. It adds survivability too.
Boots of Travel - Really quite self explanatory. Maiden is a slow hero (285 if I'm not mistaken) so boots of travel are really a must for keeping up to fleeing heroes.
Ring of Basilius - Mana regeneration early game is your friend. This is can be used in place of level two brilliance aura so you can focus on maxing out frostbite and frost nova early on instead of wasting skill points on mana regeneration.


That about sums up the best item choices for maiden. Like I said before, these are all situational and should be picked based on who you are up against and what your team has at their disposal.

As for the skill build it's always the same.


Frostbite
Nova
Frostbite
Nova
Nova
Frostbite
Nova
Frostbite
Stats
Freezing Field
Freezing Field
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Freezing Field


You can add points to brilliance aura in place of stats in that build but I find basilius is usually enough regeneration to sustain me for most of the game. I'll write up some jazz about techies tommorow but I have to get to sleep zZzZz.

[Deafinator]

What I usually do is

Nova
Stat
Nova
Stat
Nova
Freezing field
Nova
Frost
Frost
Frost
Freezing field
Frost
stat
stat
stat
freezing field

Two nulls
Void
boot
point booster
blink dagger
eul
soul booster
guinsoo
scepter.

Work very nicely, especially with blink dagger whicn can be used for suprised blink ult.

[Jedi_Jesus_FTW]

Sorry for my ignorance about venomancers ultimate cooldown... it wasn't that i was not admitting i was wrong, it was simply that i didn't know because i never actually counted, but i just tested and you were right. i guess what i did is compared it to some ultimates that seem like (or are, i'm afraid to say they are cuz you guys will just say im wrong again :-P) they are 3 minute cooldowns. if you look at it this way, venomancer can do 3 ultimates for every one that hero can do, which would total to 3900 dmg (not subtracting magic armor) to one hero, 19500!!!! to five heroes.


gosu

[CaptaiN-HooK]

I'm not sure this is my absolute favourite hero/skill/item build but, ok :p:

Juggernaut:

Skill build:
1. Blade Fury
2. Stats
3. Blade Fury
4. Stats
5. Blade Fury
6. Omnislash
7. Blade Fury
8. Stats
9. Stats
10. Stats
11. Omnislash
12. Blade Dance
13. Blade Dance
14. Blade Dance
15. Blade Dance
16. Omnislash
17. Healing Ward
18. Stats
19. Stats
20. Stats
21. Stats
22. Stats
23. Healing Ward
24. Healing Ward
25. Healing Ward

Reason why i choose stats instead of Blade Dance or healing ward at the start is that Juggernaut has very little mana, and mana reg. He does not got too high hp, and i'm asking myself this question: Why choose Blade Dance (critical) when Juggernaut's damage is so low in start? You doesnt get too high damage on the critical's in the beginning. With stats you can use Blade Fury much more often too. If you think this is stupid, try it!

Item build:
1. Boots (because you're going to hunt people with Blade Fury)
2. Two Wraith Bands
3. Gloves --> Treads
4. Perservence --> Linken's or Battlefury (depending on enemy heroes, if enemy got some stunners I prefer Linken's, even though you can farm pretty well with Battlefury)
5. Butterfly
6. Buriza/Satanic or some other orb effect (I prefer satanic when it's so late game)
7. Sell your Wraith Bands and go for aegis or some big item.

I will probably post a replay with this build. So you can see. (if you dont try it on your own :p: )

[AvengerxZ]

More or less the same build I posted on the previous page, HooK (and it's a good one, <3). I take it you are the same Captain-HooK from dota-allstars?

[CaptaiN-HooK]

I have an account on dota allstars too...I dont remember the nick though, really :blush:

Well, since you think the build was good...Are you playing on Northrend? :p:

[gasolin]

tried AvengerxZ's jugg build today. it works pretty good vs int and agil heroes. It was hard to kill cent and sand king but they are big fat tanks...
Just maybe 3 wraith bands a too much. may be 2 is better.

[SteveM1015]

Hero Skills:

1) Blade Fury
2) Blade Dance
3) Blade Fury
4) Blade Dance
5) Blade Fury
6) Omnislash
7) Blade Fury
8) Blade Dance
9) Blade Dance
10-21) Stats / Omnislash
22-25) Healing Ward

Item Build
1) Boots of Speed
2) 1 Bracer, 1 Wraith Band
3) Helm of Iron Will
4) Treads
5) Helm of Dominator
6) Butterfly
7) Satanic

Skill Choices:
I have been reading in a lot of posts people saying stats are better for jugg early game for hp / mana, and they say crits don't hit for very much in early game. While this may be true, I still get crit because while it may not lead to lots of hero kills, it will make a huge difference in farming. Early game your crits will own creeps and get you lots of gold. People may flame me and say thats what blade fury is for... killing creeps, but they are also wrong. Blade fury can be used for killing creeps, but mostly its for killing heros and making you magic immune. Its only for killing creeps if you are about to unleash an omni. Also, by lvl 6 you will already have your Bracer / Wraith band. This will give you 351 mana which is enough for a Blade Fury and an Omnislash, which is all you need to start racking up hero kills. Just buy a clarity potion or 2, soon enough you will be higher lvl and mana won't be too much of a problem.

Item choices:
Get Boots first. A lot of people may say this is noob but trust me on this one. You need boots to chase down heros with your blade fury. You dont really have a chance for first blood unless you get boots. Get Bracer and Wraith Band next. This will boost your stats while still enabling you to have crit strike, and also, this will give you enough mana so at lvl 6 you can use blade fury and omni right after one another. Next get Helm of Dominator / Treads or BoT if you prefer. Helm of Dominator turns you into a farming machine! With Crit strike you will be doing so much dmg that you will be able to just throw yourself in front of a mass of creeps and you wont even take any dmg cause you will steal it all back. Also, I hear it gives back hp from Blade Fury and Omnislash. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I am pretty sure it works with omni. Sometimes if i get ganked by a bunch of heros and I am low health I omni to confuse them then I BF while i run away. It always seems like I have significantly more HP after I omni than before I omni'd. Then late game, Butterfly / Satanic = GG.

Early game General Strategy:
vs Int heros / stunners:
Hang back a little, try to get last hit when you can. When you go in for a last hit, a lot of times you will see the enemy take a step forward towards you. This means he is casting. Hit Blade Fury and chase him down. At lvl 1 you can probably get him to half health right away, and he will def. be more conservative / afraid of you after that.

vs Melee:
This one is real easy. Just go in the front line with your creeps. When hero gets in range or tries to attack you or something, hit BF and chase him down. Repeat.

vs Range:
This is your most annoying matchup. Hang back, try to get last hit, but try not to take too much dmg. If you can, try to sneak around the bushes and surprise them with a BF

Once you hit lvl 6, you can take out a single hero no prob. Creep, and when hero shows up, BF and chase him. If he stays and fights, he is an idiot. Kill creeps with BF then omni = dead. If he runs, chase him while BF. By the time it wears off, he will either be standing by his tower thinking he is safe, then omni = dead. Or if he is smart he will be running like hell to his next wave of creeps. In this case, if you think he is still far away from his next set of creeps, omni him, otherwise, just back off and do it again. Also at lvl 6, make sure to gank a lot. Sneak up from behind, BF, Omni, dead. You get the idea...

[AvengerxZ]

tried AvengerxZ's jugg build today. it works pretty good vs int and agil heroes. It was hard to kill cent and sand king but they are big fat tanks...
Just maybe 3 wraith bands a too much. may be 2 is better.Omnislash will rarely kill a tank type hero unfortuantely unless you have alot of attack speed and only hit them. Though realize it's a team game and any damage is good damage :P.

[Ashura]

My Zeus Item Build

In 5v5 pick off start I get:

Chicken (225)
Circlet of Nobility (185)
Circlet of Nobility (185)

Then I usually have the chicken buy:

Sobi Mask (325)
Ring of Protection (175)
Ring of Basilius Formed (500)
(Chicken delivery)
Mantle of Intelligence (150)
Mantle of Intelligence (150)
(Chicken delivery)
Null Talisman Recipe Scroll (175)
Null Talisman Recipe Scroll (175)
(Chicken delivery)
Null Talisman Formed (510)
Null Talisman Formed (510)
Boots of Speed (500)
(Chicken delivery)
Ring of Health (875) (These 2 might be swapped
Void Stone (900) in order of buying depends on situation)
Perseverence Formed (1775)
Robe of the Magi (450)
Sobi Mask (325)
Quarter Staff (1150)
Oblivion Staff Formed (1925)
Refresher Orb Recipe Scroll (1875)
Refresher Orb Formed (5575)
Point Booster (1200)
Vitality Booster (1100)
Energy Booster (1000)
Soul Booster Formed (3300)
Mystic Staff (2900)
Aghanim's Scepter Formed (6200)

The game is usually done by that point, I've done this build like 7-8 times vs. mostly AGI + INT heroes when they have 1 or even no STR heroes. Haven't lost using it yet.

Any ideas for it? Usually once I get Refresher you won't have enough to spam ultimate twice in a row without being at fountain, but that changes after 1-2 more levels usually by the time I actually get the Refresher. I just like going Refresher because the Perservence regen helps out alot usually for me.

[Grommash]

My Zeus Item Build

In 5v5 pick off start I get:

Chicken (225)
Circlet of Nobility (185)
Circlet of Nobility (185)

Then I usually have the chicken buy:

Sobi Mask (325)
Ring of Protection (175)
Ring of Basilius Formed (500)
(Chicken delivery)
Mantle of Intelligence (150)
Mantle of Intelligence (150)
(Chicken delivery)
Null Talisman Recipe Scroll (175)
Null Talisman Recipe Scroll (175)
(Chicken delivery)
Null Talisman Formed (510)
Null Talisman Formed (510)
Boots of Speed (500)
(Chicken delivery)
Ring of Health (875) (These 2 might be swapped
Void Stone (900) in order of buying depends on situation)
Perseverence Formed (1775)
Robe of the Magi (450)
Sobi Mask (325)
Quarter Staff (1150)
Oblivion Staff Formed (1925)
Refresher Orb Recipe Scroll (1875)
Refresher Orb Formed (5575)
Point Booster (1200)
Vitality Booster (1100)
Energy Booster (1000)
Soul Booster Formed (3300)
Mystic Staff (2900)
Aghanim's Scepter Formed (6200)

The game is usually done by that point, I've done this build like 7-8 times vs. mostly AGI + INT heroes when they have 1 or even no STR heroes. Haven't lost using it yet.

Any ideas for it? Usually once I get Refresher you won't have enough to spam ultimate twice in a row without being at fountain, but that changes after 1-2 more levels usually by the time I actually get the Refresher. I just like going Refresher because the Perservence regen helps out alot usually for me.

thats a very decent Zues build there, although i think Zues is oneof the waekest heroes in Dota (his late game useleness) but i think the refresher is the key to play this guy, since you can use it to refresh your 350 nuke+ulti(460 with scepter) thats 810 damagex2= 1620 damage from nukes, now i know thats NOTHING late game, but if you add a guinso AND some attack speed to it, that would be x2 hexes in 1 battle (refresher), plus you will deal major attack damage from the inta+ bounces these items gives, this will even work on str heores i guess, with the 2 dipels and the high damage, you get to be a warrior zues+nukes to finish.

[AvengerxZ]

The problem is Zeus is easily killed in team fights and ganks. He also lacks the ability to really farm effectively unless he uses arc lightning to last hit.

[illuminati]

i like lycantrope...

s y first than p threads than basher maybe 2 than satanic or butterfly

[Ham_Sandwhich]

Boots of Travel, Guinsoos, Manta Style is all you really need. Teleport to a pushing lane, use march, use manta, rearm and tp out. You get a retarded amount of gold doing this and it makes him a good DPS hero (because of images also getting +damage from guinsoos unlike pure damage items such as mkb) and it keeps people from nuking him because they have to find the real one.
This is also good with Linken...but definitely this is the Tinker style I use.
Crazy pushing...can make up for a missing team mate if you end up in a 4v5 or less.

[vahgar]

Someone Please..build for Goblin techies how to suicide effectively and skill choice?

Also, after I get Blades Of Attack+BroadSword+Dagon Receipe= Dagon..fine but it says I can upgrade it further by getting a receipe..what does that mean..I can upgrade a dagon I have?

[sir_icemaster]

One of the best build on melee heroes (especially bashers):
-Power treads
-3 Hyperstones
-Divine Rapier
-Aegis
It's so simple. I used to pwn in this way with spiritbreaker - freakin' high attack speed and dmg...

[Deafinator]

One of the best build on melee heroes (especially bashers):
-Power treads
-3 Hyperstones
-Divine Rapier
-Aegis
It's so simple. I used to pwn in this way with spiritbreaker - freakin' high attack speed and dmg...
3 hyperstones are big waste.

Don't even need hyperstone with SB imo.

Power treads
Sange
Yasha
S&Y
Basher
Heart
Basher

[AvengerxZ]

Someone Please..build for Goblin techies how to suicide effectively and skill choice?

Also, after I get Blades Of Attack+BroadSword+Dagon Receipe= Dagon..fine but it says I can upgrade it further by getting a receipe..what does that mean..I can upgrade a dagon I have?First of all, it's blades of attack, staff of wizardry and the recipe (no broadsword.) To upgrade all you do is purchase the dagon recipe again (1350) and it will recreate the item with the additional 100 nuke damage. This is generally a large waste of gold so I wouldn't recommend it except with a few heroes and those are on rare occasions. As for the techie's build, I'll try to write one up someone within the next 24 hours but probably much sooner.

[Ethereal_GoSu]

if you have a skilled tiny, techies /w suicide can be AWESOME! but personally i like to play the "no micro" techies by just massing mines with guinsoos and BOT for quick running!

[sir_icemaster]

3 hyperstones are big waste.

Don't even need hyperstone with SB imo.

Power treads
Sange
Yasha
S&Y
Basher
Heart
Basher
Bashers are a really waste. With 2 hyperstones the attack is 110%, actually that 25% bash chance is doubled (it becomes about 50% with the old speed). Also 110% attack speed = 110% dmg; with third hyperstone you reach 165% more attack speed!!! Belive me, I don't know how many times I owned like this. Maybe not with 3 bashers but at least 2. Though I agree with heart for 1k extra hp and dmg. S&Y doesn't worth the money even if dmg is increased from extra speed.

[Ethereal_GoSu]

what is the cap on atk speed/move speed in dota ?

[p2L-IntrepiD]

dont know attack speed but move speed cap is 522. Taking a wild guess that max. attack speed is pretty high judging from the way that ursa can have 400% + attack speed.

[Deafinator]

Bashers are a really waste. With 2 hyperstones the attack is 110%, actually that 25% bash chance is doubled (it becomes about 50% with the old speed). Also 110% attack speed = 110% dmg; with third hyperstone you reach 165% more attack speed!!! Belive me, I don't know how many times I owned like this. Maybe not with 3 bashers but at least 2. Though I agree with heart for 1k extra hp and dmg. S&Y doesn't worth the money even if dmg is increased from extra speed.
Too bad that you actually don't reach 165% more attack speed.

Dimishing return > your golds

[vahgar]

First of all, it's blades of attack, staff of wizardry and the recipe (no broadsword.) To upgrade all you do is purchase the dagon recipe again (1350) and it will recreate the item with the additional 100 nuke damage. This is generally a large waste of gold so I wouldn't recommend it except with a few heroes and those are on rare occasions. As for the techie's build, I'll try to write one up someone within the next 24 hours but probably much sooner.



oops..yea blades not broadsword! pfft..just 100 extra for about 1350 gold more..as u said def not worth it. Are there any more items like this which can be upgraded in this fashion?

Also how do you know that your hero has maxed his attack/move speed? All I can see is slow/fast/very fast(obv this is the best)..so..the green colored very fast is the fastest? How do you get the value? :curious:

I recently saw a neat replay using Pudge and techies. Pudge would wait in an area ready to do his stuff and the techie would lay like 3 mines+trap. Once pudge hooks+rots+dismember+mines+trap..hero is dead fo sure..

Im sure there are so many heros that can work well togather..we still have to keep exp i guess. What about Oblivions's Black Hole+ Magnataurs Reverse polarity..both drag enemy towards u for sure kill. Waiting for your tech build :)

[simiwizard]

techies;
1)boots of speed(for suicide)
2)void stone
3)robe of magi
4)staff of wizardry
5)sobi mask
6)robe of magi
7)quarterstaff
8)guinsoo's scythe of vyse
9)boots of travel
repeat step 2-4 until the game is over

[NEoob]

Drow with Treads, Lothar's, Butter, Hyper, Linken's is always fun!

[RedRagToAnOrc]

Silencer with Buckler and Headdress first, last hit micro as much as possible then go Midas/Mekansm/Necronomicon. Works quite well, actually, because with Silencer's good mana regen you can spam Buckler from the outset and this allows you to last hit micro/deny more efficiently as the creeps take slightly longer to die. I have a couple of replays buried away somewhere if anyone would like to see it in action.

[Chob0]

Drow, ice arrows etc., butterfly, burize do - kyanon, monkey king bar , heart of whatever works very well.

That is, if the game lasts that long ;)

[Deafinator]

Drow, ice arrows etc., butterfly, burize do - kyanon, monkey king bar , heart of whatever works very well.

That is, if the game lasts that long ;)
Or if she stay alive that long enough...which is usually never.

[Chob0]

Well actually, it's not that hard, just run your ass off when u see an enemy hero walking towards you, try not to engage in fights until after you get some HP + dmg, and it's actually pretty easy :lol:

[Mandos.]

venomancer

ps/ss/ss/ps/ss/ult/ss/ps/ps/stats/ult max stats but get ult at 16

headress
boots
1-2 bracers depending on lane
pt booster finish to soul booster
mystic staff
euls for pushing
damage items if game is still going on.

[Divine]

Well actually, it's not that hard, just run your ass off when u see an enemy hero walking towards you, try not to engage in fights until after you get some HP + dmg, and it's actually pretty easy :lol:

It's pretty hard to level up if you're running whenever you see an enemy hero. Meh, I never really liked the Drow

[bliNkMe]

Does anyone have a good build for axe?

[SteveM1015]

Does anyone have a good build for axe?

I did well with treads, a couple bracers, and satanic

[bliNkMe]

I did well with treads, a couple bracers, and satanic


Cool, sounds good.

[illuminati]

tidehunter > get cleaving attack > boots of travel > orb -5 armor or w/e > aegis

ive done this like 3 4 games and everytime ive got like 15-1 or w/e

[AhhWhatever]

Axe: Bracer, Null, Ring of Health, Boots, Blink dagger, Treads, Satanic or Heart, Aegis or Mass Blademails.
Skills:
helix, call, helix, call, call, blade, call, max helix, stats or max hunger, blade when available.

[lama123]

Lycanthrope (I can't spell the wolve man's name)
he can creep 2 camps at once :>
Build = Boots of speed > Perserverence (cant spell) > Null's Talisman > Rune Bracer > Power Tread > Battle Fury > Sanatic > Aegies > (2x Aegies or a Heart of T) > divine raiper

[emonoty]

lycanthrope

boots->preserverence->gloves->powertreads->battlefury->santanic->
then u can start switching off some stuff
you can get a basher
or 2x heart
aegis + heart
divine rapier + aegis
mkb
buriza
guooinsoos
beserk mask

personally hes my favorite hero =)

[PSYoniK]

when i play with my team i play tiny for sent or bane for scourge

Tiny
I usually get the ring of basilius and maybe a clarity while my team-mate (i am with the purist on lane) gets a headress of rejuv.Next i get 2 nulls, threads and start getting money for a hyperstone.Up next i usually go for a sange and yasha.Thats pretty much it.

Bane
I get 2 nulls, boots if i feel the need, point booster.After this my build may differ but the standard is a necronomicon wich will be upgraded maybe up to lvl 3 if i get some easy money.I get daggon too and if the games keep going i start the work for a guinsoo.

[Pieces]

You guys have some wierd builds... maybe they work better in pub games.

I'd put blink dagger on over half the heroes in the game.

It should be Tiny's first item after any initial branches / circlet / mantle junk (even before boots). Heroes such as Venomancer and Shadow Fiend also should go Dagger, as it allows you to use your ultimate with the maximum efficiency (this is all standard league play).

[AvengerxZ]

You guys have some wierd builds... maybe they work better in pub games.

I'd put blink dagger on over half the heroes in the game.

It should be Tiny's first item after any initial branches / circlet / mantle junk (even before boots). Heroes such as Venomancer and Shadow Fiend also should go Dagger, as it allows you to use your ultimate with the maximum efficiency (this is all standard league play).Dagger nevermore is by no means 'standard.' You need a lothar's on him for his ultimate to work correctly. If you blink in people will immedately run or cancel it with a stun. Venomancer doesn't need a blink dagger near as much as most AOE ult heroes because it has a massive casting area, is not channeling and does not require you to really position yourself properly. Here's a list of some of the heroes that blink dagger is really a part of their standard league builds.

Sentinel: Maiden, SHaker, Lina (not really a league hero, but if you use it the dagger is nice), Enigma, Tiny, Luna, Rhasta, Centaur and Panda.

Scourge: Leshrac, Magnataur, Slardar, Leviathan, Necrolyte, Sand King, Axe.

Of course there are other heroes that you can get dagger on but is not a required item for them to be very effective.

[Pieces]

Some other heroes I think dagger is really strong on:

Sentinel: You covered the major ones here.

Scourge: Razor <--- go Dagger then BoT (very strong and VERY VERY rarely used build), Visage, Bane Elemental, Lich

Dagger is often crucial for combo setups, and I'm a firm believer in dagger on Veno / SF. Its amazing for escaping too, not just for the combo setups. For 2050, theres not much better you can buy for these guys (energy booster + vit booster????) (Broadsword + Blades of attack???)

Maybe I'm a bit biased here, but its just such a strong item that I think it should be abused at all oppertunities :clown:

[AvengerxZ]

Lothar's is better on nevermore but dagger is fine in venomancer, it's just not a requirement to play him to his maximum value.

[doob10163]

Yes because his ult doesn't cancel lothars immediately.... strange. I <3 blinkdagger so much haha

[mister[xy]]

i use blinkdagger with earthshaker, just blink blink into 4 heros, stun, ulti, stun etc. roxx :)

[Proj]

Soulkeeper with lorthars and dragon. And have him to real low hp then ww into a hero do his ulti who switchs hp (forgott the name) and then dragon him. He is dead in no time :D.
Poor thing isSoulkeepers ulti has long cd :(

[Hobo.]

Soulkeeper with lorthars and dragon. And have him to real low hp then ww into a hero do his ulti who switchs hp (forgott the name) and then dragon him. He is dead in no time :D.
Poor thing isSoulkeepers ulti has long cd :(

It is actually Dagon not Dragon....

[Gaius]

I usually go something like this with Razor: Boots -> Radience -> Boots of Travel (A must for Razor imo) -> MKB -> Buriza -> Aegis -> Divine

When the game goes badly for me in the beginning I usually go Maelstrom instead of Radience, and perhaps some bracers to get more hp. Razor is so damn fragile. :[

Skillbuild:
Aura
Lightning
Lightning
Aura
Lightning
Ulti
Lightning
Aura
Aura
Frenzy
Ulti
Stats etc
Last three points Frenzy

[HUBA]

I like omniknight I guess....

-Boots of travel
-Vitality booster
-Ring of Health
-S&Y
-Void Stone -> Per
-heart
-ult orc -> linkens

if things go really well for me, I might add blink, skadi or radiance just to have fun.
Radiance on omni is an WONDERFUL farming item....

[IC.Shadow]

Venomancer:

- Boots
- Perserverance
- Treads
- Butterfly
- Buriza
- Monkey King Bar
- Radiance
- Battle Fury (for the damage only)



Dwarven Sniper:

- Treads
- Ring of Health (or complete Perserverance)
- Skadi
- Buriza
- Aegis
- Divine Rapier


Lightning Revenant:

- Boots
- Perserverance
- Treads
- Radiance
- Buriza
- Butterfly
- Monkey King Bar


Two-Headed Dragon:

- Headdress
- Boots
- Basillius
- Buckler
- Mekansm
- Treads
- Soul Booster (sometimes make it Aghanim's)
- Dagon (upgrade continuously)
- At this point, the game is always over because the Dragon is ridiculously imbalanced. :)

[NightElf MasTeR]

Heros -Moon Rider
Soulkeeper
---------------------------------
Items-

Butterfly
Battle Fury
Boots of Speed
Giant strength +6

[Sweet4President]

Lol last post was a joke of course T_T

Back in the time... Chaos Knight but now that they've nerfed him... I just play -ar so I am good (and like) every hero except some but for now I'd say Ninja-Furion.

Items: RoR 2 circlets and a branch (+5 to dmg to farm) in the begining, then I farm straight deso in no time. Then treads and hyp. Then people start leaving because I'm 20-0 in a pub and accused 18 times of maphacking due to the fact I tp to them everytime they're low life to finish them off. If one or two are still left I get aegis/rapier from the 20 kills I have.

Skills:
1- tp
2- stats
3- stats
4- sprout
5- stats
6- wrath
7- stats
8- sprout
9- sprout
10- sprout
11- wrath
12- tp
13- tp
14- tp
15- stats
16- wrath
17 to 21- stats
22 to 25- trees

Tp so I can tp directly to my lane when there are f*cks in pubs. Stats are for farming, indeed, then sprout to kill people in your lane, then tp to kill someone (or two) every 30 seconds. Wrath is a very good spell for those who still think it sucks. You can use it to kill and/or farm but I don't wanna explain how now so that was it; my fav hero for now!

[Akee]

The new abaddon:

Items:
- Sange&Yasha
- Yasha
- Boots of travel
- Divine Rapier
- Aegis/Vanguard
- Linkens/Vanguard/Basher

It's fun to run around with something like 480+ ms (after hitting with frostmourne) It's 467 If I remember correctly without frostmourne.

Skills:
- Apothic Shield
- Death Coil
- Death Coil
- Apothic Shield
- Death Coil
- Borrowed Time
- Apothic Shield
- Death Coil
- Apothic Shield
--> frostmourne ---> ulti --> stats