What are some good generic builds for -AR noobs??

[G-Blunted]

Ok so I'm a DotA noob. I play Pub games and I really like -AR because it's more fair to noobs like me that don't have favorite heros. So I was wondering, what's some generic/good builds for: STR, AGI, INT heros repsectivley??

Usually all heros i'll start off with perserverance. I don't know why, i think because I found Ring of Health will keep you in lane the best. And usually I like to use whatever spells I got so 100% mana regen seems logical, and that makesd for perserverance!! Then usually it's dependant on the hero type. Like agil heros i might do treads, but actually, i havn't made treads in a while, usually i'll go straight butterfly, or maybe S&Y. WIth INT heros, it's usually straight to Angrehm's if it's one of those INT heros, then guinsoo after. Otherwise i'll go for Dagon then guinsoo, if it's int hero that doesn't get boost from sceptor. For STR heros i'll usually go for Battle Fury, since I already have perserverance, or maybe get a Cranium Basher, then later a Heart probably, or santanic if I do lots of damage or my hero has some kind of crit ability.

I dont' know, what do you guys think?

[simiwizard]

try playing a straight forward nuking hero, such as slayer and lion. spam all your cooldowns then use your ultimate, pretty straightforward.

edit:
imo you should play some AP games and stick with 1 hero, same principal as sticking to the same race when you play ladder

[KinGmEa]

Nah, sticking to one hero is no big deal. Try out as many heroes as you want. My builds for str/agil heroes usually starts with ring of regen, since boots wont help you farm/stay in your lane long enough. S-Y is the universal item for most agil/str as well, so i usually get it. S-Y is good item to use early on, but sometimes s-y isn't the best choice, because satanic is killer late game. As for intel heroes, it varies alot. Prophet i use a damage build, where i get hands of midas and MKB --->skadi. For Enigma i get 2 nulls then pers then blinkstick for easy ults. For lina, lion, and necrolyte i get scepter since its a must. FIgure out the rest for yourself. ;)

[aRKaNg3l]

Consider the chicken. The chicken allows you to adjust your early game items without ever leaving your lane. Buy a chicken then go out to your lane then decide if you need regen so buy a ring of regen or maybe you need 2 rings because of heavy harassment. Maybe you need a clarity because you just ran out of mana. Also you can bring your circlets and things as they are made.

[G-Blunted]

I agree with the hp regen rings being a must to help you stay in your lane. I mean you can tell this because if you see a hero in your lane without a ring, you can try to pop a few shots every once in a while, and slowly work his health down, and by the time his health is low enough, usually you'll have high enough spell or maybe ultimate where you can finish him off without him even knowing wtf. you know? So I always go for RoH because well..it's twice as good as RoR. And then usually i'll get Void Stone and make perserverance...see any prob with that? I usually do that for every hero, seems like a ncie basic early game item to build. THen I'll usually buy boots, and from there my build changes. Usually don't go for treads anymore, I don't know why, I don't find it that usefull really.

Also how do you know what heros I should get Cranium Basher for? Fast swinging STR heros I heard, but what about some AGI heros? Or no?

Also if my hero already has an orb effect...what's good item to go for? Like...hmm..how to explain....I often times get a hero with an orb effect...so this rules out getting SY, Santanic, Manta, Stygen, Diffusal, and some other items i like to get...so what's good items for str/agi heros with orb effects already? (if it's really possible to answer that)

[Drunken_Jedi]

Unless I have a hero with a strong healing spell or I want to get an early Battle Fury, I start the game with a chicken and a ring of regeneration, and then let the chicken bring me a circlet of nobility, a +3 stat item or 3 ironwood branches.
Then I stay in my lane the entire earlygame, if I get too low on health or mana I let the chicken bring me a flask/clarity. As resources allow I get 2 circlets and 2 +3 stat items, boots and the null talisman/bracer/wraithband recipes.
Which statitem i get depends mostly on what my character needs most: mana+manaregen or health+healthregen. I very rarely use wraithbands because agility is by far the worst attribute in early game; I only use them on agilityheroes who dont need additional mana and have plenty of hp fpr earlygame.

After that my itembuild varies depending on my hero, my team, my opponents and the situation. Some general advice:

On intelheroes it's always a good idea to get a euls scepter of divinity, it makes you harder to kill and also gives a lot of extra mana-regen. Now would be a good time to get a dagon if you play a nuking hero, if not just skip that step. Then you get an oblivion staff and upgrade the staff and the euls scepter to guinsoos scythe of wise.
After that useful items would be aghanims scepter(only if your heroes ultimate is improved by aghanims), boots of travel(better escaping, chasing and pushing) or eye of skadi(nice sloweffect and increases the survival capabilities of your hero tremendously)


If you use a strength or agility hero you can't go wrong with sange&yasha and treads. On some heroes other items are more effective, but those are somewhat effective with any strength or agility hero that doesnt have a natural orb.
After that you get a yasha(yasha stacks with s&y) if your hero really needs the speed, if not save your money for better items.
The next item is probably buriza, damage is always needed. As an agility hero you can also opt for butterfly instead of buriza. As a strength hero it might be a good idea to get a hyperstone after the buriza, a lot of strengthheroes lack attackspeed. Then you should build an aegis of the immortal, dying at high level costs lots of gold and precious time.
Okay, so now you dont die anymore so the next item is none other than devine rapier.
Probably you wont get that far, but a sacred relic is still a nice thing to have.

[mofos]

i wuld say depends wat kind of hero i get first. if i get a str or aglity hero i tend to go boots + ring of regen then i get midas so i can farm even faster. on int hero it all depends wat hero i get for intel. if is like KOTL/furion/madien i will get glove of haste first just so u can get midas quicker, but if is DP, techies, tinker, i will get ring of balista

[Irashoran]

Playing ar will make you a lot better than just playing one hero, because it helps to build knowledge of all heroes in the game (such as manacosts for spells, items they'd get, techniques commonly used, hero ranges) beyond the knowledge you can derrive from just playing against them.

There isn't a set item list for each kind of hero, as the items you should get should also reflect the enemies heroes as well. i.e. if they have a lot of casters, you may find it pertinent to get a black king bar.

How well you're farming should be taken into consideration as well. If you're not farming well and you're trying for a reaver, I'd change the desired item.

Generally though, you can't really go wrong with boots/perserverence no matter the context.

[Deafinator]

I usually ignore orbs effect but that me.

PS, you can switch orbs effect, not too sure which slot it respond to tho.

[G-Blunted]

Ok so being the -ar noob that I am...pretty much every game I'll start off with perserverance and then get boots and from there whatever. Of course this is just STR or AGI heros...for INT heros I generally won't get the void stone to complete the perserverance because INT heros have the mana regen already, and I spend that money on ENergy Booster etc on my way to SOul Booster to scepter...

Anyways my question....How do I determine which will be better for my hero, a Battle Fury, or a Linken's Sphere? (however you spell it) I'd just like to make use of my perserverance and get either one of these usually.

[Deafinator]

Alway get point booster before anything else.

If you got melee heroes and other team doesn't have much nuke, go for battlefury to increase your damage and farming status. Nukers/disable on other team, linken sphere.

[Raven.Icon]

Ok so I'm a DotA noob. I play Pub games and I really like -AR because it's more fair to noobs like me that don't have favorite heros. So I was wondering, what's some generic/good builds for: STR, AGI, INT heros repsectivley??

Usually all heros i'll start off with perserverance. I don't know why, i think because I found Ring of Health will keep you in lane the best. And usually I like to use whatever spells I got so 100% mana regen seems logical, and that makesd for perserverance!! Then usually it's dependant on the hero type. Like agil heros i might do treads, but actually, i havn't made treads in a while, usually i'll go straight butterfly, or maybe S&Y. WIth INT heros, it's usually straight to Angrehm's if it's one of those INT heros, then guinsoo after. Otherwise i'll go for Dagon then guinsoo, if it's int hero that doesn't get boost from sceptor. For STR heros i'll usually go for Battle Fury, since I already have perserverance, or maybe get a Cranium Basher, then later a Heart probably, or santanic if I do lots of damage or my hero has some kind of crit ability.

I dont' know, what do you guys think?


I totally disagree with this post and also the other post u posted on tihs thread.


Let me explain why i disagree and to tell you the truth, getting perserverence is the dumbest thing to do for AR builds or any builds for that matter unless its hero specific.

Perserverence or just ring of hp is great for jugs, pudge, etc. But whats good for one hero is bad for another or just not effective enough in a gold to effect ratio.


Let me show this so u can understand why i find this to be ridiclous.

For example, lets say u get a ring of hp on a intel hero like crystal maiden/luna/rasta/etc.

Ur hp is still really low. That means yes, u can get hp regen while in lane, and it can help u stay in longer. But thats it. Once u hit mid game to late game, this item would practically be worthless or just not effective.

Why would this item be so worthless?

Well, i agree it does help u stay in ur lane longer. But u also got to remember for a intel hero w/ shit hp. having ur hp at 600 to 1000 isnt gonna do u that much good even w/ the regen.

Why is this?

For example early game is the only time a hp regen ring would be useful the most. But ur still suspectiable to nukes/stun combos etc. If you went w/ a soul booster/guinsoo build, you wouldnt have this problem. As ur hp wold of increased by 200, then 450 hp. Meaning ur intel hero at 1000 hp is now 1450 hp, also this would allow more spamming of nukes/stuns/spells then before. If you can only cast 3 spells plus one ulti and be drained compard to a intel hero that can basically nuke every second, is way more advantagous. Making it more likely that he will survive ganks and 1vs1 situations.

So for a intel hero, the best early to mid game items consist of:

Speed: boots/bot/threads
Intel heros cant in certain situations and u dont have enough hp/armour even w/ soulbooster/aegis, that you need to have a escape mechanism. Running is key to avoiding things that can lead to bad situatoins. Also you can bot in to a lane, saving time, then after cooldown, bot to another lane, this helps prevents ganks and waste thier time.

mana pool: 2 nulls to soulbooster
Even a intel hero needs a bigger mana pool to constantly spam

hp pool: soul booster
Intel heros need a bigger hp pool then they do regen, since regen dosent addresss a intel heros weakness

mana/hp regen: flasks to later euls to guinsoo for mana regen w/ no hp
regen. But hp regen early game is to flasks then later to bot tele back or just use scrolls to u get bots (you can actually get bot by level 6/7 easy w/ some intel heros)

Guinsoo not only regen mana for constant spamming, especially w/ soulbooster, but also providers escape mechanism via euls cyclone to guinsoo sheap.

The only other mechanism for escape is usually BOT, and in cases of cm or luna, loathers.

Agham sceptor: This is very debatable. I find that its too much gold for something that isnt that great. I find that for most heros, its actually better to spend that money elsewhere. i play cm/luna/rasta etc, that helps thier ulti, but i find that its too much money. I rather get refresher orb for rasta and aegis or attack items for cm/luna builds.

Dagon- the only hero i would get it on is Necroylyte. Most other heros, its really not useful, as it diminishes as time goes on due to heros being alot stronger later game. Necryolye is one of the few exceptions and that is becuz to utilize his ulti better and to help finish kills, a dagon comes in real handy. But even for him, it can be debatable since getting a attack item servers the same purpose for his ulti. But the question then becomes, what style do u like to play.

Dagon for most heors just plain sucks. yes sometimes u can nab a hero kill with it, but its basically worthless and its better to have other items instead.

[PoWeR]

Nulls/Dagon for Leo, and you're good to go! :) I actually play him like this sometimes.

[Deafinator]

I have to disagree with perser being useless because you will need it to make linken sphere or refresher which caster will need against disable heroes.

I tend to get two nulls/preserv with int heroes alway.

[pogi0120]

pros use mekanism.. GG.. why? coz dota is a team game.. look up for mekanism and see.. and to be pro.. u have to practice 8hrs a day.. for a year.. practice makes perfect..

[AvengerxZ]

pros use mekanism.. GG.. why? coz dota is a team game.. look up for mekanism and see.. and to be pro.. u have to practice 8hrs a day.. for a year.. practice makes perfect.."Pros" use mekansm on certain heroes for a vareity of reasons. Sometimes other items benefit the team more. You don't have to practice 8 hours a day to be good, either :P.

[N!Jr]

for intel go for boots of spd,RoB,guinsoo then if he's goof for aghan then go for it

for agility, treads is a must2, n da rest depends on the rest cuz for agility heroes, they r kinda flexible wif items juz c da situation

for strength, treads is a must2, n like da rest is situational n since all strength heroes r melee(correct me if im wrg) i go for fury cuz wif da "splash" it really helps u in farmin

ONE Note though, since ur a noob juz try all da heroes(NEVER TRY OUT MELEE heroes first cuz i believe that they r reserved for the more experienced players if u knw wat i mean) n find a fav among them cuz if ur a noob n u kept playin -ar matches, chances r tat u will b one forever trust me, i knw. Juz try out da ranged agility heroes cuz personally i believe tat they r easy 2 use aka perfect for noobs so try em out.