NE vs. Fiends

[ICUP]

Whenever i play against UD they always mass and rush me with spiders... how do i prevent that or beat the spiders??

[Cactrot]

Archers OWN fiends.

[TiGeR]

This is wat u do. Get warden or Bm. Get single aow Archer, tech fairly quickly then put down i lore i wind. Pump archers talon. Go to tier three research mg skin and get a few mgs. it should be done even before the mg but thats wat u do.

[Cactrot]

mass hunts. thats what all ne seem to do, no matter what the matchup just get many hunts

That works, until you play someone above level 4.

[The_Beef]

That works, until you play someone above level 4.


rofl!!! so tru...

anyways... against fiends... archers eats them... have some DotC as well... and have a PotM... usually you dont find out that he's going fiends before you first hero comes out... so potm 2nd hero...

[RollingWave]

If the UD creeps for a while though higher lvl nova/impale/carrion will pwn the floor against archers... though yeah mg/archer/talon is pretty hard for UD to beat without higher lvl nuke/aoe support....

[NooMBa]

All I gotto say is MG's + Archer, and if you get tier 3 fast and get Hardend skin upgrade (Resistant Skin too is always good) its just suicide going mass Fiends vs MG's Archer, and if his heros get level 5 I'd recommend switching to to Dryads (if the game lasts this long) cuz Level 3 coil and level 3 nova owns archers.

[Vilencia]

Yep, mgs and archers with some dott for fire. If you think he has a temple get resistant skin, if he has banshees gg no re of course most ud players dont get them but its a good idea.

[Zero_Soul]

I think what he means by rush is that the UD attacks before he can get to tier two. If not, just listen to whatt everyone else said. If so, then DH+archers is usually the best way to counter it. Keep burning the DK so he cant heal fiends and ff while keeping near your wells. If he brings a RON deto with wisps. UD really arent the best rushing race so you should'nt really have much trouble fending them off.

[Noob-Nub-Chobo]

easy...if u see is gunna stick with fiends the whole match archers/talons equals gg

[Skyie]

against a fiend using UD player, the fast bear tech is what i use. spam rejuvenation on your heroes and roar on your bears and take out those fiends. you can close down the distance between fiends easily, if you can creepjack. remember to keep your heroes in check, with plenty of healing and anti-magic pots.

[Solidus]

Archers + Dots + Mg's own fiends. Get a few scrolls of healing! for archers n low health and scroll of protection. Should work :)

[ICUP]

they mass spiders... but what do i do if they mix spiders and ghouls?

[glocker]

Why the hell do archers kill fiends so well?

Theyre not even weak vs them,some1 explain so i dont get mobbed next time around

[The_Beef]

well... dont think it as 'fiends are weak against archers', think as 'archers are strong against fiends'.

fiends have piercing damage... which is greatly decreased by archers armor type... plus elune's grace.
archers comes in groups. and causes extensive damage to fiends when ff. even though if fiends' armor type reduces damage from piercing, it wont be enough when 10 archers are shooting right at them.

[Haasafat_Wun]

ugh. My unstoppable anti ud starat if used correctly. Single aow. Warden. Archs. Harass w/ warden. Creep with archs at same time. Go for acos. Or fiends if dk isnt there. Make another aow. Hunts hall. Make some hunts to help the archs creep the stronger ones. Harasss some more. Expand. Tech. Ancient of wind. Dotts. Tech. Archs. Hunts. Archs. cyclone. GG UD. Ya its hard to pull off correctly but if the harass go's well your in the clear. Dont go into there base once they get nerub tower. Just try to jack him and stall him from nuking.

[Croft]

That works, until you play someone above level 4.

actully cecil went that alot in 1.10, no matter what.

But it is right, it dosnt work anymore.

[Eruanno]

actully cecil went that alot in 1.10, no matter what.

But it is right, it dosnt work anymore.

Cecil is a n00b, don't listen to him.

[TiGeR]

and im pretty sure that cecil plays team games so.. this is about solo.

[Dragin]

mg archers dotts dryads

[JutCasella]

fiends will rape mass hunts. definitely archers, dotts and mgs

[spoon-77]

just do the cygnus strat against fiends, if it's on a large map. 5 archers, DH or Panda, tier2, dots/mg's :)

[Andy Wilson]

tinker archers mg's and dryads

[Abuse.Craft]

Archer Dotts will beat the spiders -- its a pain in the ass to Focus Fire, and most of the time its overkill which means alot of the fiend's attacks are wasted. DH harrass helps keep the DK level down.

[foxstoneeety]

archers, dott, if he makes any type of melee get mg's