How do you stop Breaker/rifles?

[stren]

What is the best way to take out breakers + rifles (backed up by priests) and lots of them? When I go bear/dryad, they still manage to take me out because of the meat up front w/ the breakers. Help please.

[Blaster]

REsearch mark of claw. Roar out all mana to take reduce damage from breakers. For heroes, use AoE heros like Warden and Naga Sea. Fork + FoK. The rest is micro.

[Cactrot]

this is the hardest thing for me to beat out of any race/matchup =\

I've tried pretty much everything, and had mild success with quick bear techs (but only vs newbs) or Dryads->MGs.

[blackangel_tkl]

i think oni way is bears.. just like blaster said.. but u can add in dott or drayds.. dott to reduce armour.. so breakers shld go down fast..

[fivedollar]

breakers cost a lot, rifles cost a lot.. don't let him FE or mass whatever you can get
bears and dryads will work, but only if you do things right
vs bears breakers do lots of dmg so you slow those breakers down
this sounds noob to lots of ppl, but a pro told me to do this, main ctrl 1, for group2 add 1 dryad, for group 3 another dryad upto group 4-5 and get them to attack different targets, this'll slow many units down
it's stupid how ppl say sorc > dryads
their slow effects are both equall and they cost the same

[superdopey]

dott to reduce armour.. U do know that breakers reverse these spellback on u ? They dont get -5 armor u do. So I dont think this would be a good think to do.

Its indeed one of the hardest strat to beat. My suggestion would be 2/3 MG dryads backup up by dryads and archers. And for the heros as someone said AoE hero to take out the rifles. good luck

[stren]

If you roar to reduce damage, I think the breakers will buff the HU army by reversing the effect.

[Phantis]

btw you roar to increase damage. you howl to decrease damage. also the main reason for roaring is that it finishes your bears mana thus making feedback less of a problem.

[Wren]

Yeah, spam Roar to get rid of mana before you go in. It wont last long so they can steal it all they want =) just gives you a few more seconds to attack.

[MisterBob]

When I go up against this, I save a bit of mana for one Roar in the middle of the fight...if you hit a lot of units with Roar, it will busy those breakers while you re-slow them with your dryads.

This is a killer strat to beat, there are only 2 methods I know:

Fast-tech to bears/MGs/dryads

or

Harass constantly with Warden so they can't get to spellbreakers quickly. Meanwhile you tech to bears again, and this time you will have a major advantage if you harassed enough and prevented creeping/expo. Easier said than done ;)

[Akujin]

What is the best way to take out breakers + rifles (backed up by priests) and lots of them? When I go bear/dryad, they still manage to take me out because of the meat up front w/ the breakers. Help please.


Harass hard at beginning, and get naga or warden second so they cant dance their rifles everywhere.

[aquaboy-NE]

its hard , i did fast tech and i got bummed even though i had bears an drayds

[FFx2-Cloud2]

try throwing in 2-3 mg's because they can take a lot of hits and sending them in 1st with bears following and taunt the stupid breakers and your bears will live a lot longer

[Gladiator]

mass bears/dryads, make sure u have 2 heros with staff of preservation on them, and u never lose bears.

[LiNK£]

Bears/archers with warden/naga. Use dual AoE vs rifles. Add some giants for taunt
Dryads=unarmored som dryads<rifles

[Demongod86]

Bears, bears, bears, some more bears. No sorcs=they can't BEAR you. Haha. Bad pun. Anyway, staves of preservation are your FRIENDS. If a bear is being ffed, staff him back. Wells heal him, and then he re enters the fight. Mark of the claw is a MUST. It drops breaker mana to zero, drops bear mana to zero, and is just overall a great thing to have. Of course, breakers without feedback to crap damage so focus the rifles priority one. If you have a naga with you, her frost arrows single out units for death. WHichever one she marks is the one that you are guaranteed to annihilate. Keep your DH mana burning his MK, not his AM. Whatever Eles pop up you dispel. YOu only need a few dryads if you're only looking to dispel elementals, because by this point, his AM will be level 4 if he's lucky. Other than that, if you feel the need to, load up your naga with mana potions so you can also spam forked lightning. Also, warden IS decent against humans, except if they have priests around, it'll really screw the fan of knives up, and you need every point you can get into mana burn to keep those bolts off.

[xio]

mountaingiant/archers/bears... . 1 AoW one AoL. Mr Cygnus audios go watch

[Demongod86]

X, you can't anymore. They're 1.14

[WC_ASD]

Bears for meat and destruction (but for gods sake dont use rejuvination in battle aswell as roar). Dryads for Dispell and Ranged backup. Faerie Dragons for Priests. I swear Priests make a GIGANTIC (notice that I wrote gigantic, giganticly) difference in battles.

[Allied]

if you see him making lots of breakers... and still make bears, you deserve to lose.

if he makes that many breakers, switch to mountain giants.

[ItsAbOutTimE]

MG/Talons/Archer/Dryad....'

easy

[Wren]

Moves... can you give some unit numbers... That's a wide spread and bookoo resources if you upgrade each type. Need more info on that.

[Illidans_Spirit]

as its been said a million times no mana bears>breakers and makes sure bears are at leats 1:1 with breakers

[PITagoRAS]

What is the best way to take out breakers + rifles (backed up by priests) and lots of them? When I go bear/dryad, they still manage to take me out because of the meat up front w/ the breakers. Help please.

your strat is k.But u need know how use it.Spam roar for make a fisic battle:Its tru that he will have roar with the mana steal, but u wanna breaker with 0 mana....and u will have ro0ar too =D.then mana burn his mk and if he is at 60% health, frost arrow/dryads + ff on him:He is a key for hum win.
I think that hum vs ne is pretty-balanced and it goes more for micro.....dryad/bear=breaker/rifle/casters

[Illidans_Spirit]

your strat is k.But u need know how use it.Spam roar for make a fisic battle:Its tru that he will have roar with the mana steal, but u wanna breaker with 0 mana....and u will have ro0ar too =D.then mana burn his mk and if he is at 60% health, frost arrow/dryads + ff on him:He is a key for hum win.
I think that hum vs ne is pretty-balanced and it goes more for micro.....dryad/bear=breaker/rifle/casters


but then u must remmber something mk+slow+manapot=no heros
early expo=u out massed and something i never see anymore is mortar teams+scrads>dryads and falre>shadowmeld but I go mass bears and a few rads too

[hyou-ko]

if you see him making lots of breakers... and still make bears, you deserve to lose.

if he makes that many breakers, switch to mountain giants.

Mass MG + spam taunt = teh win :rofl:

[Illidans_Spirit]

Mass MG + spam taunt = teh win :rofl:

yea mgs+SoP are so overpowered 2 staffs and u own em

[WC_ASD]

Oh my god that's a good idea actually, might sound terrible, but if you think of it. If your opponent does not poses micro then you could win...

[Illidans_Spirit]

Oh my god that's a good idea actually, might sound terrible, but if you think of it. If your opponent does not poses micro then you could win...

if u mean the mass mgs with staff the ur a idiot try before u dis it
mgs+drayds and staff with warden and dh is very powerful even with nerf

[Metzelknolle]

Hu's deadliest counter to bear is griffons, always think of antiair if the game last long.
Bear/faerie/dryad, later hippo or archers for antiair. manaburn to drain mk, FoK to own hu : ) If you go mg, hu will go knights instead of griffon.

[EnFoRcEr]

ever try mass tier 1 like vs orc with a panda? thats my new thing and i think it works pretty well... drunken haze and flame shit rapes em hardcore

[agamemnon]

RUSH DONT LET HIM DO ANYTHING!! (expand and pump out lots of chims and hippos) would work

[s]AinT]

man use rocz mountain giants with upgrades and dryads

[Wren]

wtf?!
RUSH DONT LET HIM DO ANYTHING!! (expand and pump out lots of chims and hippos) would work
What are you smoking?! don't le him do anything... how do you plan on that when all your building is Chims and hippos? Also, you have to be some kind of retard to go air vs HU.

As said before, MGs/dryads/bears/archers.

[PITagoRAS]

but then u must remmber something mk+slow+manapot=no heros
early expo=u out massed and something i never see anymore is mortar teams+scrads>dryads and falre>shadowmeld but I go mass bears and a few rads too

yeah, thats why i never make dryad/bear tech in small/expo maps.....Instead, i go archer or hunt rush and later on some dryads/talon/mg.....Im just got too tired in lost to fast expos and tower rushes =(.
Bout mortars, they dont scare me:i just run my dryads back if they shoot on me, and if he insist, he will get on my bears front......So they rlly dont have a choice to kill my dryads X_X

[W1ck3dK1d]

Ussually I don't even let him get to breakers in the first place. I play like CrazyAssassin did in ROC, don't ever give them a break. Constantly harass them while doing things at your base. With any luck you can prevent them from teching and even building. Of course this takes practice.

[BigWeso]

Hu's deadliest counter to bear is griffons, always think of antiair if the game last long.
Bear/faerie/dryad, later hippo or archers for antiair. manaburn to drain mk, FoK to own hu : ) If you go mg, hu will go knights instead of griffon.

If you go all bear/dryad in the first place, you will be fine. Griffs cant attack dryads. Micro and rejuv bears and griffs can do nothing. I think the deadliest counter is spell breakers+slow(countered by dryads too). When they have rifles ffing bears and mortars ripping apart dryads, thats when I get into trouble.

[EdgarAllanPoe]

you have to really press the human before he can successfully tech...
a good kotg or dh harrass will really screw them and then u can fast tech to bear/dryad and pwn them

[Zoltan]

a good kotg or dh harrass will really screw them and then u can fast tech to bear/dryad and pwn them

i dont think so Tim.

Fast tech to bear/dryad Does not work at all.

many people say it does work but now the average human knows wat ull do so u cant do it.

i suggest That u get hunts and harras him to keep the pressure on him, he wont have time to upgrade units, fast expo, if u do it good he cant even build the arcane. If ur not good at harrasing then Expo,

after ur harras, see wat hes doing. if he keeps gettin breakers and rifles, then just add a mix of archers and ur good, bring scrolls if hes still not dead then, just keep adding the pressure and if u cant do that, pick another race.

And if u dont wanna, then get Mgs, dryads, hunts, archers. Many people will dissagree.

But this is how i see it. Spellbreaker>Bears, bad too, Feedback and stealing ror and rejuv is BAD. Rifles do beat hunts and dryads but hopefully u can overpower.

[W1ck3dK1d]

Remember, just because NE isn't as powerful as they were in ROC, doesn't mean they arn't the best pressure race. Give them hell, don't let them tech.

On another note, you canuse the extrmemly fast tech by building your altar and moonwell, then a huntress hall. Go dh, then tech. Build an AP inside the altar mw and hh. Placement is everything here. Fill the holes with moonwells. Harass like a bitch, with some creeping, and once teching is done build 2 AOL and get a Warden. Tech to a Tree of Eternity and try to expand. Tech for bears while pumping dryads and DOTC. Once tree of eternity is done, make another AOL and pump like mad. If you do this right, you should be able to obliterate his army.

[truewt]

come on, most Hu vs NE games, with the NE doing dryad/bear tech, 90% of the time NE LOSES! bear gets raped easily by breakers+rifles+clap+bolt. Dun talk crap by saying roar all u like. breakers dmg can be upgraded for goodness sake. Rifles+Roar = shit gay dmg. And u mentioned microing bears with rejuv - u cant pls - slow+ spell steal = dead bears on the ground. dun gif me the crap that u abolish with dryad. htf are u suppose to get 1:1 ratio of bears:dryads if u are getting lotsa bears? are u expanding?

In serious thought, do dryad tech - thats pretty find. keep the pressure on with dh+naga while going into eternity. dun let him land an arcane up. expo though. then at tier 3 research all the shit MG researches. THEN MASS MG WITH MASS TAUNT. even the best gosu human players with insane micro can hardly beat that. If they FF your dryads, do hit and run, while constantly taunting with ur MGs. My massing means getting to >6 mgs. They usually is unable to run pass ur shield of mgs to ur dryads if u do the hit and run thing. research armor of ur mg. i noe this is going to be hard to reach this tech but if u do, u win.

Im talking about playing on bigger maps :)

[Short-_-Bus]

Bear Dryad isnt the way 2 do it cause u cant roar or use rejuve...... archer//hunts// mgs//dryads or just power rush hunt glaive wit kotg and kill priests 1st breaks souldnt be doin much

[Quaka]

what do u mean ! DOnt bear tech vs that its obvious counter to bear tech. breakers got feed back and immune to magic so they can AOE yer sexie bears and rifles own dryads. I usually do fake bear tech i do everything the same up untill i actualy upg bears, i get hardened skin and the archer dmg upg and go archer/mg. It owns for me every time. Even if they go knight/rifles cause i got like 15 archers and 5 mgs dh/ward by the time they have suffecient knights and i always upg archer dmg and mg def. Its gosu baaby ya!

[haris_me]

ppl dont realise that breakers own all types of caster if ur opponent does get breakers + rifles get archers + dryads +mg's to tank also get trueshot aure for extra damage thos damned breakers cant steal auras^_^ ur main target shud be to focus fire the rifles with archers and breakes with destoyers while constantly tauntingat rifles and breakers and its gg since only ur hero has mana they cant cause extra damage to any of ur other units GG

[haris_me]

i mean ff the rifles with archers and breakers with dryads

[Malystryx]

"I usually do fake bear tech i do everything the same up untill i actualy upg bears, i get hardened skin and the archer dmg upg and go archer/mg."
Quaka nice ;p you said 5 MGs takes some time to get that and hu attack at tier 2 :[

[Demongod86]

Okay, against hu: lore tech. Not necessarily bears. One AoW/lore tech does wonders. Mortar/rifle/caster rape bears and dryads, but MGs work really nicely, and with archers in the back, if you have healing scrolls and some micro, you can keep your archers pretty safe and sound. Not to mention that with 700 range, you can probably taunt the morts anyway. Or you can go dryads and get ready to do some major right clicking. Worst comes to worst you can always "stay calm and stall" as Cygnus put it to get to chimeras, which are a wind, roost or two, and one or two chimeras just for the mortars away. Yes, a chimera might get focused down, but it has 1000 HP, and you have staff of preservation (at least I hope you do). And btw, DH/Warden, unless you're SEVERELY outplayed, rapes the human armeh, which isn't better than yer armeh.

[Jesse_uber]

LOl... This is one of the easiest strats to beat! Go bm and achers and ad mgs and pitlord... Attack him when your bm reaches lv three. From here keep the presurre up for if you dont then he can go mortars and knights..

[CraZyKoKeNo]

the two strats that ive heard of against hu are bear/dryad and mg/dryad :/

[Quaka]

i think oni way is bears.. just like blaster said.. but u can add in dott or drayds.. dott to reduce armour.. so breakers shld go down fast..
Breakers > dott their immune to magic faerie fire wont go on them. I know what u guys mean though when they get as stable amount oof breakers is a pain to beat them when they ff bears with rifles. I do one of two things, I bear tech one aow dh/naga and i harass like crazie. And try to slow the hum tech and production as much as poddible so when i finally get my bears out he wont have just ben building his perfect counter to bear/drayd. The other way i go is similar but once i throw up the two lores i go with hardened skin and mgs with archer dmg upg and archers. It works amazingly well. Since youv ben producing archers from your one aow u already have a significant amount. mg/archer > rifle/caster/breaker , Its worked for my tons of times

[Savier]

Well id say focus the rifles and breakers are pretty weak alone..

[TiGeR]

Errr, i dunno have u heard of something called mgs?
o_o

[NazguL^^]

Mass Wisps and detonate them on breakers...this will make breakers explode and kill the whole human army around them...throw in some faerie dragons and head for is base :D hehehe. Yeah MGs/Dryads/Bears should do the trick... but detonate is still good :b

[KiLaZ-R-uS]

MGs/Dryads/Archers/Bears; 1 AoW 2 AoL; Thats what i usually do now and it works fine.. just make sure you have an expo xD

[Wren]

Wait a second.. hold the phone!
Spell steal is a "cast" right?
LMAO, I have a GREAT idea =)

Go bears/dryads and FDs
Once you engage combat the idea is to use roar so they steal the spell... This is where the FDs kick in. IIRC the FDs ability will hit breakers. If it doesn't then nm this post. If it does... ho baby! spam roar to keep them busy stealing spells while the FDs are busy draining their HP =)

[CynicalDoc]

Wren, breakers are magic immune, mana flare = spell = magic damage = doesn't hurt breakers (I don't even think the effect goes off in this case)

[Quaka]

']"I usually do fake bear tech i do everything the same up untill i actualy upg bears, i get hardened skin and the archer dmg upg and go archer/mg."
Quaka nice ;p you said 5 MGs takes some time to get that and hu attack at tier 2 :[
i meant over time. I dont jsut get 2 and stop

[No.LiFE.]

mgs/dryads/hunts - mgs take the front line while dryads and hunts go for rifles and priests - mg's taunt should take control of the speel breakers shit.. enless the guy has crazy micro this should work

[Wren]

Thanks for the clarification Doc, they do get hit with the splash though... right? If a Breaker is next to a priest and the priest is healing like a mad man the breakers will get hit with the spash IIRC. Or are they immune to that as well?

[BeerHandle]

This is a easy, You bears and dryads with archers own. Add in 1 mg and its so good game.

Bear > beakers, foots easy. Knights stand half a chance but they too fall down. If your equal skill with the human player, just run over them easy. GG.

[ItsAbOutTimE]

Bear tech w/ Archers.. Roar out all of mana so you dont take extra damage from Breakers.. Get a staff of perserv. so your bears don't get FF to death/.