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IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 08:22 AM
Is it really worth to play the game if you see Undead at the loading screen? or just alt QQ? I mean, it's impossible to defeat them with human right?

goshawk
08-29-2008, 08:24 AM
Troll? Or do you actually want advice? Or shall we all whine?

frozenfart
08-29-2008, 08:24 AM
Yeah just alt qq. That's for all the times you tower rushed/mass towered ud.

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 08:31 AM
Tower rush vs ud? have you actually played the game?

and yes, i want advice

frozenfart
08-29-2008, 08:49 AM
no i only play starcraft

Azze
08-29-2008, 08:51 AM
its not impossible.

Eldarien
08-29-2008, 09:02 AM
You clearly aren't building enough towers.

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 09:03 AM
i cant afford shit when i make that many towers, and easy countered by catas or destros

TheUndeadGuy
08-29-2008, 09:57 AM
Not much has changed, obviously you arent adapting to the situation..

A lot of good players are still making paladin and MK work, you just have to get 2-3 towers up earlier. If you're having " Alt + QQ " worthy troubles now, you were probably having them last patch.

ArieS
08-29-2008, 10:01 AM
Uhm... harass him? Kill his acos when he is mid-way teching to t3 for destros, destroy their shop. You should know by heart when opponent techs (comes only with playing enough games/experience).

Of course if you turtle and try to creep your mk with rifle caster you won't win shit.

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 10:15 AM
LOL kill his acos? Have you ever been in the ud base? The towers & the main shoots lazer ffs

ty anyway i guess

roflmao
08-29-2008, 10:43 AM
lol. just alt qq if you wont be agressive.

ArieS
08-29-2008, 10:59 AM
LOL kill his acos? Have you ever been in the ud base? The towers & the main shoots lazer ffs

ty anyway i guess

Close this thread...

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 11:18 AM
No, don't.

All I want is advice how to overcome the imbaness of UD, and aries gtfo my thread!!!

TheUndeadGuy
08-29-2008, 11:20 AM
No, don't.

All I want is advice how to overcome the imbaness of UD, and aries gtfo my thread!!!

What imbalance? You haven't given anything specific.

I suppose you're having trouble with mass acolytes. Just try to get a few towers and those pesky dual necropolis rushes will be no longer so threatening!

ArieS
08-29-2008, 11:26 AM
No, don't.

All I want is advice how to overcome the imbaness of UD, and aries gtfo my thread!!!

OK. Here's my advice...

Dota -sdem NORDIC ONLY -bl on.

LuX
08-29-2008, 11:36 AM
OK. Here's my advice...

Dota -sdem NORDIC ONLY -bl on.

WIN.

Anyway yea ud so imba, what with the terrible expansions, and easy aco rapes, and destros that suck after first 5 seconds, and the aboms that can't even kill knights, and the dk that can't tank, and the wagons that blow, and the 127374627 million armies that hu can make vs ud with expo, and the towers.

Honestly, no one likes a kid who's going to say "ud imba I alt qq cuz ud imba. Never mind the fact pro hus never lose to ud cuz ud imba. So I alt qq cuz ud imba"

For further examples, please refer to yesterdayshero policy on the undead v orc matchup.

Infernal
08-29-2008, 11:54 AM
everyone should calm themselves a little, the UD vs HU matchup is fairly even as it is right now, and bob(marley) HU pros do indeed lose to UDs every so often -_- TeD vs ToD? etc etc~

LuX
08-29-2008, 12:04 PM
everyone should calm themselves a little, the UD vs HU matchup is fairly even as it is right now, and bob(marley) HU pros do indeed lose to UDs every so often -_- TeD vs ToD? etc etc~

I agree but the way this threads going, you'd think hu was losing to ud 2-0 everytime the mup came up

LighT]SwiTcH
08-29-2008, 12:21 PM
well its not IMPOSSIBLE but it aint easy either...

Aggrobacillus
08-29-2008, 12:28 PM
Once again, depends a lot on your level but keeping track of the human is a hell as UD until you get used to it. MK bolts the living hell out of harassing dk and once you're not scouting he expoes in a brief moment of time. The present mappool with wide distances and easy expo spots isn't helping the case at all. Take advantage of it.

Vall3y
08-29-2008, 12:30 PM
all you have to do is play just as good as the ud
is that too much to ask?

sihamzhai
08-29-2008, 12:47 PM
Mass towers and turtle nuff said

IdSayBARELY
08-29-2008, 01:28 PM
LOL kill his acos? Have you ever been in the ud base? The towers & the main shoots lazer ffs

ty anyway i guess

Try a paladin first? Creep him up to lvl 3 and pick up a staff of teleportation.

flipstar
08-29-2008, 01:42 PM
I'm pretty sure that this is a case of "You just have to get better and stop whining".
Why don't you post a replay so we can have a look at this imbaness you speak of.. ?

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 02:59 PM
Yes, but im refering to non-tank strats, kinda with knights / gryphs / flying machines. I have problem with every single UD strat, even the one that invovles crypt lord as 1st hero, Im getting really frustrated and i don't want to tank every single game. Frostwyrms / fiends is really hard. and ye, ive tried to use paladin ofc but it doesnt work out somehow.

TheUndeadGuy
08-29-2008, 03:00 PM
so you lose to everything...

go play more games, cant help you here

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 03:20 PM
Only loose to ud

LuX
08-29-2008, 03:24 PM
Yes, but im refering to non-tank strats, kinda with knights / gryphs / flying machines. I have problem with every single UD strat, even the one that invovles crypt lord as 1st hero, Im getting really frustrated and i don't want to tank every single game. Frostwyrms / fiends is really hard. and ye, ive tried to use paladin ofc but it doesnt work out somehow

See, this is your problem. Its not undeads imba, itsthat you have no idea why you're losing, so instead of trying to find out why and do some work learning, you blame it on undead imbalance.

I agree with infernal, ud v hu is pretty even, both sides can pull retarded shit, and if either ud or hu whines about it, they're probably just getting out played.

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Well, it's pretty frustrated to see DK solo 5 peasants and after that see him coming with a huge ud army of ghouls and gargs when i have 1 tower up in each base and some footys, but ill figure it out somehow and practice, but i still need info how to macro properly against undead and timing

LuX
08-29-2008, 03:36 PM
Have no idea how you're creeping to lose 5 peasants. That's probably how you're losing most of your games. A good ud gets 5+ peas kills, games pretty much set for him as long as he doesn't make any big mistakes.

Pacific*
08-29-2008, 03:40 PM
just because you suck, doesn't mean the game is flawed.

IXioN_Hu
08-29-2008, 03:59 PM
and how do i prevent those peasant kills? I can't damage that DK

Deadpast
08-29-2008, 04:15 PM
and how do i prevent those peasant kills? I can't damage that DK

Arcane towers..

There are really 3 choices that are viable versus UD.

Tower up, mass expos, gryphs/knights/gryos/tanks.

Rifle/caster, get MK to level 3.

Tech without expo, get am to level 3, have 4-5 footies, maybe some rifles, make two arcane vaults, get a firelord and do mass ivory towers from shop. (6 is usable, and would be choice.)

cardhu
08-29-2008, 05:13 PM
if you have 1 tower in ur base by the time he has gargs, youve probably already lost.

micro your units better and macro your resources better.

Sparkles.
08-29-2008, 05:37 PM
He is obviously trolling guys...

Strength
08-29-2008, 06:57 PM
My playstyle in HvU is a lot different now, you have to play aggressively. Sky's been having a tiny bit of success as of late with no-expo strategies, so obviously it's not impossible.

cardhu
08-29-2008, 06:57 PM
sky is also way better than everyone