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unsinn
03-12-2006, 01:49 PM
mTw.Lash vs. Verge.Hunter

mTw.Protois vs. Verge.Virus

mTw.Hanf vs. Verge.SoNKie

mTw.DaviN vs. Verge.Rainman

mTw.Hanf & mTw.Protois vs. Verge.Hunter & Verge.Rainman


hunter > lash
protois > virus
sonkie > hand
rainman > davin
hanf & protois > hunter & phreak

are my guesses. but 2on2 could go either way, I think

Ashura
03-12-2006, 01:52 PM
mTw.Lash < Verge.Hunter

mTw.Protois = Verge.Virus

mTw.Hanf < Verge.SoNKie

mTw.DaviN < Verge.Rainman

mTw.Hanf & mTw.Protois < Verge.Hunter & Verge.Rainman

I guess a 4:1 or 5:0 for verGe, with the Virus/Protois game being the only winning point for mTw if they do get any.

KoGs
03-12-2006, 01:57 PM
I remember there used to be a time when MTW was right there with 4k and 64AMD in the lan finals. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

alzf
03-12-2006, 02:27 PM
Go MTW !!!
Hanf 2-0 Sonkie :)

13ang13ang
03-12-2006, 02:32 PM
Dont see verGe winning by anything worse than a 4-1

edit - no beef? What is this world coming to!

Ashura
03-12-2006, 02:37 PM
Glaive/Beef can't play for another 5 days he's barred because he just joined the team.

Phreak
03-12-2006, 02:50 PM
verGe 0-1 mTw

verGe.Hunter 0-1 mTw-LasH
verGe.Virus vs mTw-Protois
verGe.Sonkie 0-2 mTw-Hanf
verGe.Rainman vs mTw-DaviN

verGe.Hunter+Rainman vs mTw-Protois+Hanf

13ang13ang
03-12-2006, 03:05 PM
Sigh.. Its gonna come down to the 2's.

Krossinc
03-12-2006, 03:06 PM
Dont see verGe winning by anything worse than a 4-1

edit - no beef? What is this world coming to!

The question is who do you take out of the lineup? Virus started slow but had tough opponents and even thrashed HRB last playday. Phreak is of course their most reliable player right now, while Hunter takes up second. Sonkie has made such huge leaps in his game also. It seems to me like Beef is a second string.

BetrayerOfLight
03-12-2006, 03:16 PM
Lol, Hunter - Lash game 2 is a must see..... could it be any more clear that Lash lost that game due to a large number of errors -_-

Blacktalon
03-12-2006, 03:22 PM
''lash is hoping on a disconnect'' funny shoutcast :)

Asjo
03-12-2006, 03:27 PM
Started listening to cast midway through Hunter vs LasH, game two. It sounds like LasH is going the so-called "lamer-style" again, massing towers and fast-expanding. Meanwhile, it sounded like Hunter was annoying as hell, being good as annoying LasH in his more macro-oriented actions, while doing really well to keep his units out of danger all the time, making use of LasH's lack of a mountain king. MonteChristo wasn't too eloquent, so couldn't tell what exactly went on. Sounded like Hunter was aggressive, but LasH's towers kept him out of harms way. With Hunter's increasing hero advantage, I was starting to think that LasH was giving away too much for his money advantage. Then I heard that LasH had destroyed most of Hunter's burrows, deminishing the food limited, which was down to 30. Then I thought that LasH had kept a great balance of things in his game, and now he could stack his lower-level heroes with with healing potions, and rush Hunter, forcing him to fight while still pumping out gryphons, using the bloodmage to limit the tauren cheiftan's influence. Focus of the upgraded gryphons should quickly level up his heroes and with the money advantage he could overwhelm Hunter, who would lose his army after a while and not be able to produce more, having his hands full with fighting. But he waited 'till his expansions were all gone and allowed Hunter to kill off his heroes when he had to fight.

MonteChristo doesn't seem to think a lot about the things happening and the little details, unlike KidArctica, for instance, so the insight is not as sharp. However, tonigt is the best I have heard from him yet, even though he says he got wasted yesterday. He has much more flow and described things a little more vividly and with more umph.

I just noticed that Hanf vs NiklarfLP was just played, and he lost 1-2, so he cannot be in is best form. Really nice to seem mTw start out with 1-0 on his account, though.

Canuck
03-12-2006, 03:32 PM
MTW 3:2 VERGE PREDICTION
mTw.LasH vs. Verge.Hunter

mTw.Protois vs. Verge.Virus

mTw.hanf vs. Verge.SonKiE

mTw.DaviN vs. Verge.Rainman

mTw.hanf & mTw.Protois vs. Verge.Hunter & Verge.Rainman

13ang13ang
03-12-2006, 04:05 PM
I thought it would come down to the 2s, didnt expect phreak to be the one to loose though =o

unsinn
03-12-2006, 04:08 PM
who says phreak lost, theyre still playing O_o

gasolin
03-12-2006, 04:19 PM
no, he lost

Forged
03-12-2006, 04:24 PM
Davin won 2 - 1

BobO.
03-12-2006, 04:30 PM
Oh no, phreak lost....That cw must be rigged or something,this can't be happening...No...It's not true...Please no! Hoping for verge to win the 2's and gogo virus ^^

Forged
03-12-2006, 04:46 PM
they were winning the 1st game and hunter disced

unsinn
03-12-2006, 04:46 PM
no, he lost

when I wrote that comment, I was in WTC watching the game.

NOW, he lost. true.

<3 davin :D

Demicore
03-12-2006, 04:47 PM
Hm guys glaive couldn't have played anyway since he was added during last playday (see rule IX.e (http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/info/wc3l_rules/)).

Phreak
03-12-2006, 04:49 PM
We're postponing the 2s, as Hunter's internet is really really really bad right now.

gasolin
03-12-2006, 04:53 PM
damn, verge got 1st game in 2vs2and then they d/ted... protois is not the best orc :)

KoGs
03-12-2006, 05:43 PM
Just watched game 1 of Phreak vs. Davin. Phreak when you saw only hh's early why didn't you make more archers and push? Your DH alone could have wiped out all the hh's. Then your archers would have free reign on the burrows or whatever.

Phreak
03-12-2006, 06:13 PM
Eh mostly it's been so long since I've seen that strat I didn't know how to respond. It retrospect that would have been incredibly easy, you're right.

HaiiYaa
03-12-2006, 07:36 PM
I hope krossinc has changed his mind about mtw now...

dbqinsa
03-12-2006, 09:16 PM
Kross? Changing his mind? Haha.

unsinn
03-12-2006, 09:25 PM
kross doesnt "change his mind" ;)

no offense, j/k

IamAnton
03-12-2006, 09:33 PM
was a good clan war thus far. i see VerGe winning the 2on2 im iffy on the final solo map though. chosing orc on lt was such cheese by protois :\. hope verge can win this 3-2 though

HenL
03-12-2006, 09:59 PM
IamAnton, not his fault though.. Lost Temple should be removed :P.

ShrieK
03-12-2006, 10:14 PM
Lost Temple should be removed :P. Considering Terenas Stand is the only balanced map, every other map should be removed.

HenL
03-12-2006, 10:29 PM
Lost Temple is far more imbalanced than the other maps though :P. And imo Terenas Stand is not balanced ^_^.

Krossinc
03-12-2006, 10:34 PM
I still believe mTw is an inferior team. Inferior teams can win, go look at playit vs 4k. 4-1 versus a team who was infinitely stronger than them. mTw had a good day. Virus should win his match though, Protois is not on par with him and the only reason he got the win was a cheap orc switch.

unsinn
03-12-2006, 10:45 PM
infinitely stronger

4K and play are both on a playoff spot, one spot between them... I dont really see how 4Ks is "infinitely" stronger than play.it, if they were - they would have owned play.it 5-0 (10-0).

youre under-rating protois imo, 1st thing: his orc switch wasnt cheap, he's a random player. 2nd thing: he beat pato 2-0 with both UD and Hu, so I guess he isnt exactly "not on par" with virus.

Nimbuz.
03-12-2006, 10:48 PM
Dammit Phreak you cost me a free 30 day premium membership.

KoGs
03-12-2006, 11:01 PM
4k is not infinately stronger without Grubby. With Grubby that is debatable, but without Grubby there is no question they are not.

ShrieK
03-13-2006, 02:41 AM
Lost Temple is far more imbalanced than the other maps though :P. And imo Terenas Stand is not balanced ^_^. Gnoll wood = no human win. Gnoll wood with health fountain = imba for orc. Maelstrom = orc win. LT = huge human advantage, no win for ud vs orc, and hard ne vs orc. Echo isles = human >>>>>> orc. Turtle Rock = close spawn vs human = gg elf. Elf >>> Orc on turtle. Twisted Meadows = human disadvantage (this is a bit better than most of the other maps). I think those are all the main ones. With these in mind, LT isn't too much worse than the rest.

Dectilon
03-13-2006, 04:21 AM
Since I can't really say how strong Virus is, I guess it's meaningless to say anything about the match, but I do know that Protois has won against players considered way better than him.

Demicore
03-13-2006, 09:03 AM
Virus is a great player, and he wasn't hampered by lag as he usually is since they played on GG with an american host. He won CPL Chile, beating Pato in the finals (if I'm not mistaken).

HenL
03-13-2006, 10:41 AM
Gnoll wood = no human win. Gnoll wood with health fountain = imba for orc. Maelstrom = orc win. LT = huge human advantage, no win for ud vs orc, and hard ne vs orc. Echo isles = human >>>>>> orc. Turtle Rock = close spawn vs human = gg elf. Elf >>> Orc on turtle. Twisted Meadows = human disadvantage (this is a bit better than most of the other maps). I think those are all the main ones. With these in mind, LT isn't too much worse than the rest.

Don't mind me, I'm just convinced beating a good orc on lost temple is nigh impossible for undead.

Beef-On-A-Stick
03-13-2006, 10:52 AM
was a good clan war thus far. i see VerGe winning the 2on2 im iffy on the final solo map though. chosing orc on lt was such cheese by protois :\. hope verge can win this 3-2 though

People will keep picking LT and switching to Orc vs NE and UD as long as that map is in the pool.

Gnoll wood = no human win. Gnoll wood with health fountain = imba for orc. Maelstrom = orc win. LT = huge human advantage, no win for ud vs orc, and hard ne vs orc. Echo isles = human >>>>>> orc. Turtle Rock = close spawn vs human = gg elf. Elf >>> Orc on turtle. Twisted Meadows = human disadvantage (this is a bit better than most of the other maps). I think those are all the main ones. With these in mind, LT isn't too much worse than the rest.

NE is not >>> Orc on Tower Rock if it's close spawns unfortunately, but other than that you pretty much got it all down. Except for UDs advantage over elf on TM/LT/Mael.

Damn my inferior race!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

HenL
03-13-2006, 11:00 AM
Lol, but ud can't pick LT or Mael because the elf will switch to orc most of the time :P .

Krossinc
03-13-2006, 01:52 PM
People will keep picking LT and switching to Orc vs NE and UD as long as that map is in the pool.



NE is not >>> Orc on Tower Rock if it's close spawns unfortunately, but other than that you pretty much got it all down. Except for UDs advantage over elf on TM/LT/Mael.

Damn my inferior race!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

If anything LT Orc vs Ne evens up the imbalance. An elf has no reason to ever complain about orc, ever.

unsinn
03-13-2006, 06:04 PM
nice manner by verGe O_o

Demicore
03-17-2006, 05:56 PM
Hm if anybody's still interested, the 2v2 just got played and verge won it 2-1. All the reps are here: http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/season9/match/3109230/

Virus
03-17-2006, 06:25 PM
:) Thxs for the info bro, 3-2 very nice

Phreak
03-17-2006, 06:52 PM
Rainman + Hunter 2-1 Protois + hanf

altqq
03-17-2006, 07:05 PM
Why did you pick Rainman instead of sticking with Phreak?

LOVE AND PEACE
03-17-2006, 07:08 PM
Why did you pick Rainman instead of sticking with Phreak?
rainman >>> phreak. rainman is just better, playing phreak instead of rainman would be one of the worst moves i could think of. its he difference between apm70 and deadman, you just cant compare them

unsinn
03-17-2006, 07:18 PM
rainman >>> phreak. rainman is just better, playing phreak instead of rainman would be one of the worst moves i could think of. its he difference between apm70 and deadman, you just cant compare them

apm70 >>> deadman :whip:

dbqinsa
03-17-2006, 08:48 PM
It's because he made Rainman as a secret account and then all of a sudden people found out about it. :P

Phreak
03-17-2006, 09:55 PM
It's because he made Rainman as a secret account and then all of a sudden people found out about it. :P
qft

mithempire
03-18-2006, 01:36 AM
gj verge :P
now they dont have any "easy" cw more...

vs WE -taking a game or even 2 for verge here would be more than great-
vs 4K -taking a game or even 2 for verge here would be more than great-
vs NIP (maybe they have chances here >D)
vs fnatic (they also have chances here, and it will define who goes 5th/6th place).

HaiiYaa
03-18-2006, 01:52 AM
(they also have chances here, and it will define who goes 5th/6th place).
I think you mean 6/7 ?

CursedChimera
03-18-2006, 02:00 AM
they were winning the 1st game and hunter disced
if he disc i think they wouda remade.. :censored:

Phreak
03-18-2006, 05:54 AM
The "first" game 1 was played while Hunter had an assload of lag - his internet was kinda dying. Before he Disc'd, we saved the game and postponed. Apparently no one (conveniently?) had the save to host from so we just remade.