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Giza Necropolis 70 77.78%
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Unread 09-27-2009, 06:25 AM   #1
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Default World Wonder Shodown: Giza Pyramids vs Great Wall of China

Alright, people. Here are our contestants:

Giza Necropolis


Located in Giza, Egypt, right outside of Cairo lies the Giza Necropolis, consisting of the "great pyramid of Giza" - the Cheops Pyramid. Also included in the excellent package are the Chephren and Mykerinos pyramids, as well as the great sphinx.

All of the buildings are somewhat shrouded in mystery - from who built them, to how they built them. The Great Pyramid is believed to have been the tomb of the ancient Egyptian king Khufu. However, it was emptied long before any historians or archaeologists were able to enter, and make records of the contents.

The Sphinx is even more mysterious. Some claim it is not the body of a lion, but of a jackal - an ode the Anubis, Egyptian god of death. Others suggest that it is linked to sun-worship from even before the Giza area was used as a necropolis.

These magnificent structures have mystified and enthralled humanity for ages.

The Great Wall


Stretching from Shanhaiguan in north-eastern China to Lop Nur in north-western China, along the Mongolian/Chinese border, the Great Wall is an imposing monument to how much the Chinese hated the horse people.

A very utilitarian building, the Great Wall served the purpose that walls quite often serve: keeping unwanted people out. The Wall was built using different techniques in different places - from mud and wood to stone bricks.


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Age
The Pyramids take the first point, having been constructed roughly around 2500 BC. Construction was initially begun on the Great Wall around 500 BC, which while impressive, can hardly compare.

Time frame
The Cheops Pyramid is believed to have been constructed over the course of 20 years. In stark contrast, the Great Wall, on the other hand, was continuously constructed, extended and maintained up until the 1500s. Whether you think the Pyramids win for managing construction in a shorter time frame, or the Great Wall wins for persistence, there's no denying that both are impressive.

Height
The Pyramids undoubtedly pull out ahead here. Not only does the Cheops Pyramid dwarf the Great Walls 8 metres with its (original) 146.6 metres. The Cheops Pyramid was actually the tallest man made structure in the world for over 3800 years.

Length
Unsurprisingly, the Great Wall wins this one supremely. So much so, that measuring it is not a trivial task. Recent estimates put the wall at an incredible 8851.8 km. It's been less than half a year since a new section of wall was discovered.

Technical prowess
This one is not easy. The Pyramids are remarkable for the precision with which they were build The Great Pyramid itself is a mere 19 cm from having a perfectly quadratic base. On the other hand, the Great Wall snakes it way through mountains, and has been maintained for a very long time

Weight
The Great Pyramid consists of 2.3 million blocks averaging about 2.5 tonnes per block, for a total of roughly 5.7 million tonnes.

No real scientific attempts have been made at calculating the weight of the Great Wall, as such a task would be completely mammoth. However, one very conservative estimate by some dude (here) puts it between 70 million tonnes and 700 million tonnes. A heavy victory for the Great Wall!

So, WCR. Which one is better?
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The Great Wall isn't one of the World Wonders.
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My heart says great wall my head says pyramids >.<
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It's not one of the traditional "Ancient World Wonders". However, it is often cited as a world wonder, and there is no real global authority on it
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Fair enough, it sure is an awesome thing that wall. I still voted pyramids though. Just because they're older.
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Wall is awesome, but nothing beats the motherfucking Pyramids.
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The Wall is certainly a strong contender, but I think it does go to the Necropolis. Pyramids are just badass.
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Pyramids. The Great Wall did not require the same kind of intelligence as the Pyramids, either in the mathematical proportions (which are very interesting) or the construction.

The Great Wall isn't even consistent from section to section - clearly it's the result of "throw money and people at the problem." It didn't do a very good job either.
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From what I understand, we still don't even know who built the Pyramids and how they did it. Same goes for the Pyramids in southern Africa and South America.
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From what I understand, we still don't even know who built the Pyramids and how they did it. Same goes for the Pyramids in southern Africa and South America.
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The pyramids were made by aliens
The wall of china is made by slaves

Aliens > Slaves
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Number of people killed during construction

Great Wall = Over 900,000!

Pyramids = Unknown, not many anyway.

Great Wall = Built/maintained for over 2 millenium(that has got to be the biggest and most impressive man made project ever. 2-3 million deaths, and built over 2 millenia. Shit goes through the most fucked up mountains and rocky passes n shit, it's all good, just straight through, it's the fucking great wall..

But yeah. Pyramids were built by aliens, so that's definitely a plus for those damn Egyptian bastards.

Overall Verdict: Great Wall takes it. Length and effort involved is epic. None of this 20 year crap, this is a 2 millenium long and 2-3 million death project.. and with no help from aliens, that's even more impressive.
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Pyramids. The Great Wall did not require the same kind of intelligence as the Pyramids, either in the mathematical proportions (which are very interesting) or the construction.

The Great Wall isn't even consistent from section to section - clearly it's the result of "throw money and people at the problem." It didn't do a very good job either.
That's the whole point. It's impressive just how much people/money they threw at it, and over how long too. Nothing else(AFAIK) can compare with such a scale of project, in the past or currently.

But also, i'm sure the chinese could have built the pyramids, they had pretty good technology for back in the day too and came up with plenty of inventions and shit(as much or even more than the Egyptians at least, and none of this was given to them by alien civilizations ).

And what do you mean by didn't do a very good job? They did the job, or what, did you think the chinese would continue on a faulty project for 2 thousand years when it wasn't doing it's job very well? Or you talking about from an engineering standpoint? How nice did you expect it for being that length and taking that long to make, and going through how many dynasties and revolutions etc.. remember, they didn't have the luxury of making it slowly and it wasn't a project made by some rich fat pharoah as his resting place or place where he can stash all his bling bling, but this was a result of war, and functionality was preferred over aesthetics and mathematical beauty obviously.

Also, saying that the great wall isn't as impressive from an engineering standpoint is pretty silly. Pyramids weren't that hard to make(imo), great wall is much harder to make and organise and bigger project in scale, and all of this during a war(and civil wars too) with ghengis khan on your doorstep.
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how can we vote against Necropolis on a warcraft forum. Undead REPRESENTTTTTTTTT ALIEN STYLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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That's the whole point. It's impressive just how much people/money they threw at it, and over how long too. Nothing else(AFAIK) can compare with such a scale of project, in the past or currently.

But also, i'm sure the chinese could have built the pyramids, they had pretty good technology for back in the day too and came up with plenty of inventions and shit(as much or even more than the Egyptians at least, and none of this was given to them by alien civilizations ).

And what do you mean by didn't do a very good job? They did the job, or what, did you think the chinese would continue on a faulty project for 2 thousand years when it wasn't doing it's job very well? Or you talking about from an engineering standpoint? How nice did you expect it for being that length and taking that long to make, and going through how many dynasties and revolutions etc.. remember, they didn't have the luxury of making it slowly and it wasn't a project made by some rich fat pharoah as his resting place or place where he can stash all his bling bling, but this was a result of war, and functionality was preferred over aesthetics and mathematical beauty obviously.

Also, saying that the great wall isn't as impressive from an engineering standpoint is pretty silly. Pyramids weren't that hard to make(imo), great wall is much harder to make and organise and bigger project in scale, and all of this during a war(and civil wars too) with ghengis khan on your doorstep.
Pyramids weren't hard to make? We can't do it today. How's that? The stones of the pyramids have incredibly close tolerances.

The great wall is a small, simple structure repeated ad infinitum with nothing special about it and little consistency. It was really just a bunch of disconnected walls which did jack all until the Ming dynasty.

I can draw 100 squares on 100 sheets of paper, or I can paint a landscape. 10,000 squares might take longer, but which one is more interesting and impressive?
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