What do you want in the next patch (if there is a next patch =( )

[Danesz]

Originally Posted by vhapter

Good timing, top notch micro like Believe's and prayer (I don't really believe in the last one though lol). T.T

But all the ud top pros have left the scene before 2010. (except for 2 or 3). They had imba micro but they still lose to bm and every1 said it is imba. If something is imba then it should be nerfed:P

[SmiLe)]

limit the amount of towers made in game.

I remember everygame i played on USEast, it was some bullshit hacker orc that just massed towers, stacked his bm, and mass bats.

(easy to beat) --> unnecessary long games.

[4Fun]

Originally Posted by Danesz

But all the ud top pros have left the scene before 2010. (except for 2 or 3). They had imba micro but they still lose to bm and every1 said it is imba. If something is imba then it should be nerfed:P

their micro was no better than their orc counterparts.

[Danesz]

So undeads' only chance is micro?

[Noobs_Gone_Wild]

2 suggestions that directly affect OvU and leaves other mu's untouched:
ams shield soaking up crit dmg and fiends burrowing under net (its not like orcs don't buy dust anyway, but still...)
While I was watching Lucifer's stream long ago, one of the viewers asked him in the stream chat what should be done with the blademaster, Luci answered that crits should be "fixed". They could be "fixed" nicely with ams.

[gahh.]

how to fix ud:
SH speed to 300 down from 320
Ziggurat HP up to 600

And most importantly, change crits. Instead of 15% chance, make it a 18-20% decreasing chance on the same target, at a rate of 3-4%. fast lvl 2 BM with boot+circlet+glove/claw/circlet is a given on most maps, and it's too strong early game vs ud and hu (when not using mk), this would make it easier to handle him witout making the bm weaker later in the game in full scale battles.

Also, maybe, make dragonhawks take bonus/unreduced damage while channeling shackles?

[ShrieK]

Also, maybe, make dragonhawks take bonus/unreduced damage while channeling shackles?

lol, nerf the second worst unit in the game

[The-Noobinator]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

lol, nerf the second worst unit in the game

[ShrieK]

^

[gahh.]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

lol, nerf the second worst unit in the game

how so? 350 ms, 725 hp with t3 upgrade, takes 3 pop, is cheaper/builds faster than fiends. the only reason it's not the best unit in the game is because of his relatively poor attack, but that's irrelevant vs organic air.

[The-Noobinator]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

^

nou u.

[ShrieK]

how so? 350 ms, 725 hp with t3 upgrade, takes 3 pop, is cheaper/builds faster than fiends. the only reason it's not the best unit in the game is because of his relatively poor attack, but that's irrelevant vs organic air.

Name three situations that come up in 1v1 where DHawks are useful. LT doesn't count. Maybe Orc goes Wyverns once in a blue moon.. that's really it. They are trash. Absolute trash. Tier2 gyros are better rofl

[dbqinsa]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

Name three situations that come up in 1v1 where DHawks are useful. LT doesn't count. Maybe Orc goes Wyverns once in a blue moon.. that's really it. They are trash. Absolute trash. Tier2 gyros are better rofl

vs. elf on equal standing (heroes and bases) its pretty good. If you want to talk about trash units then you should be thankful you at least don't have mountain giants.

[onesteptwostep]

Originally Posted by Danesz

So undeads' only chance is micro?

good timings too

[gahh.]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

Name three situations that come up in 1v1 where DHawks are useful. LT doesn't count. Maybe Orc goes Wyverns once in a blue moon.. that's really it. They are trash. Absolute trash. Tier2 gyros are better rofl

I don't think you've seen any UvH pro game in a really long time.

[ShrieK]

If you want to talk about trash units then you should be thankful you at least don't have mountain giants.

Mountain Giants shit on mass towers. You should be thankful you never played against me.

I don't think you've seen any UvH pro game in a really long time.

I've seen about a half dozen in 2012, and none of them had DHawks. Enlighten me--which UD units are they good against?

[The-Noobinator]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

Mountain Giants shit on mass towers. You should be thankful you never played against me.

I've seen about a half dozen in 2012, and none of them had DHawks. Enlighten me--which UD units are they good against?

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[iNt]Jutai]

I only want one thing next patch.
























The nail.

[dbqinsa]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

Mountain Giants shit on mass towers. You should be thankful you never played against me.

I've seen about a half dozen in 2012, and none of them had DHawks. Enlighten me--which UD units are they good against?

We've played quite a few times actually.

Want to know whats better vs mass towers? dragon hawks

I'd rather build a dr, level it to 6, charm a peasant and tech up to dhawks before ever building mgs.

[gahh.]

Originally Posted by ShrieK

Mountain Giants shit on mass towers. You should be thankful you never played against me.

I've seen about a half dozen in 2012, and none of them had DHawks. Enlighten me--which UD units are they good against?

http://www.wcreplays.com/replay.php?m=View&rid=63740
http://www.wcreplays.com/replay.php?m=View&rid=47379
http://www.wcreplays.com/replay.php?m=View&rid=48369
http://www.wcreplays.com/replay.php?m=View&rid=62117
http://www.wcreplays.com/replay.php?m=View&rid=62112

or browse any active league's replay database.

also lol at dbqinsa post, I remember winning a FFA on market square not too long ago doing just that haha.