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    ELL question

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    Does any1 know how many games should I win on b.net without a single loss to get the best opponents?
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    That's too much
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    Northrend: 15-0 is enough for absolute max ell, with 10-0 you meet the high level people who constantly play vs max ell and a little lower.

    I think its pretty much the same in Kalimdor, no idea about NA servers.
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    I think it depends on how fast you get those wins, it seems to me the server takes some time to calculate your ELL, but I'm not sure how much. For example, if you get 5-0 and come back a week later, you'd get the same opponents you'd get for getting 15-0 right after creating the account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gahh. View Post
    I think it depends on how fast you get those wins, it seems to me the server takes some time to calculate your ELL, but I'm not sure how much. For example, if you get 5-0 and come back a week later, you'd get the same opponents you'd get for getting 15-0 right after creating the account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2BeKilled View Post
    Northrend: 15-0 is enough for absolute max ell, with 10-0 you meet the high level people who constantly play vs max ell and a little lower.

    I think its pretty much the same in Kalimdor, no idea about NA servers.
    Hardly,
    we once had a legit non MH'ing 14 - 0 human player in our CGs, he completely crushed the 10 - 0 players. He didn't want to say who he was, but he must have been a player from the absolute top.

    But yeah, if you hit 10 - 0 you can be matched to the very best players that still play. Although I guess 8 - 0 would be sufficient as well these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiezel View Post
    Hardly,
    we once had a legit non MH'ing 14 - 0 human player in our CGs, he completely crushed the 10 - 0 players. He didn't want to say who he was, but he must have been a player from the absolute top.

    But yeah, if you hit 10 - 0 you can be matched to the very best players that still play. Although I guess 8 - 0 would be sufficient as well these days.
    I dont quite understand what you mean by the top part. And no 8-0 or 10-0 cannot meet the absolute top ell, you need atleast 15-0 to start meeting the 30-1 40-5 etc solo accs, yes you get to play vs the top 20 solo rank, but the top20 solo rank guys dont all have max ell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2BeKilled View Post
    I dont quite understand what you mean by the top part. And no 8-0 or 10-0 cannot meet the absolute top ell, you need atleast 15-0 to start meeting the 30-1 40-5 etc solo accs, yes you get to play vs the top 20 solo rank, but the top20 solo rank guys dont all have max ell.
    the 14 - 0 player was a legit player, without an abused account and he used no MH. He owned the other legit players with 10 - 0 like I'd crush anyone that just bought the game. I've also never seen anyone in a CG with better stats then 14 - 0. Even most maphackers do not reach that.

    People with 30 - 1 are most likely abused accounts eitherway through how the bnet system works or with hacks. That are not good players ;(.

    If you get 10 - 0 you'll face the top 10% of the ladder; if not the top 5%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiezel View Post
    the 14 - 0 player was a legit player, without an abused account and he used no MH. He owned the other legit players with 10 - 0 like I'd crush anyone that just bought the game. I've also never seen anyone in a CG with better stats then 14 - 0. Even most maphackers do not reach that.

    People with 30 - 1 are most likely abused accounts eitherway through how the bnet system works or with hacks. That are not good players ;(.

    If you get 10 - 0 you'll face the top 10% of the ladder; if not the top 5%.
    No...
    There are easily like 50 people who play northrend who can get 15-0 without hacking. Also you cannot abuse solo stats unless you get more than 6 losses to begin with. There are a few people who have done solo stats like 30-1 without hacking in the past 1 year or so, for example Rudan

    The bolded part is just my point. 10-0 doesnt play the people with max ell, you only start meeting high ell people at 8-0, then you meet those high ell people until around 13-0 - 15-0 when you start meeting only the max ell people. In bnet's current state, meeting people from the top 10% does not mean that the ell is ''max''.
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    In other words there are people in top 20 without max ell but with shitloads of games. Or thats the point he is trying to make.
    You could always meet good players @ northrend at the top if you could bear to play through field and face hackers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiezel View Post
    the 14 - 0 player was a legit player, without an abused account and he used no MH. He owned the other legit players with 10 - 0 like I'd crush anyone that just bought the game. I've also never seen anyone in a CG with better stats then 14 - 0. Even most maphackers do not reach that.

    People with 30 - 1 are most likely abused accounts eitherway through how the bnet system works or with hacks. That are not good players ;(.

    If you get 10 - 0 you'll face the top 10% of the ladder; if not the top 5%.
    kayo and april do have countless 25/30 - 1 accounts on azeroth, it's not at all impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xan View Post
    In other words there are people in top 20 without max ell but with shitloads of games. Or thats the point he is trying to make.
    You could always meet good players @ northrend at the top if you could bear to play through field and face hackers.
    yeah this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiezel View Post
    the 14 - 0 player was a legit player, without an abused account and he used no MH. He owned the other legit players with 10 - 0 like I'd crush anyone that just bought the game. I've also never seen anyone in a CG with better stats then 14 - 0. Even most maphackers do not reach that.

    People with 30 - 1 are most likely abused accounts eitherway through how the bnet system works or with hacks. That are not good players ;(.

    If you get 10 - 0 you'll face the top 10% of the ladder; if not the top 5%.
    When I played regularly I could make a 15-0 account about 25% of the time. I was "good" in an Azeroth ladder sense, but still hilariously bad compared to league players. The guy you saw may in fact have been really good, but you are exaggerating the difficulty of getting that record. I wouldn't face an opponent who was capable of beating me until game 9 or 10, and from that point it was just about having good luck in terms of maps, matchups, spawns, etc.

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    So tell me please who has very high ELL on north ladder?
    For example Marklovesyou has higher ELL than 1991.06.10. ?
    And Iwillrockyou only has an average ELL?
    http://classic.battle.net/war3/ladde...=1&RaceFilter=
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    I think 11-0 is the highest I've gotten I dont recall ever playing top ladder people after 11 games. Either I passed them or their ELL was still higher. And on the flip side, when I was top 10 ladder I don't recall playing people with only 10-0 and such.

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    If you want to find those with the highest ELL's sort by fewest losses. Of those ranked, Undercover (Cechi) probably has the highest ELL on the ladder. However, that is just ladder and a lot of the good players will reach a point where they can no longer find games because no one matches their ELL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danesz View Post
    So tell me please who has very high ELL on north ladder?
    For example Marklovesyou has higher ELL than 1991.06.10. ?
    And Iwillrockyou only has an average ELL?
    http://classic.battle.net/war3/ladde...=1&RaceFilter=
    max ell in top20: marklovesyou, 1991.06.10, careyou, worker0k, happytalon (maphacker), nl400headsup (maphacker), danger (maphacker). I think thats it


    Quote Originally Posted by practicemage View Post
    If you want to find those with the highest ELL's sort by fewest losses. Of those ranked, Undercover (Cechi) probably has the highest ELL on the ladder. However, that is just ladder and a lot of the good players will reach a point where they can no longer find games because no one matches their ELL.
    you can do this but you also have to check stats compared to level, abusing is pretty hard and smth like 0-15 --> 150-50 can be done by not max ell players and still be ranked.
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    True, forgot about abuse. Harder to tell now since ladder decay has been going on so long, but if full games listings is working it's easy to check then by just viewing and seeing if they have a bunch of games where they lose in 0 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by practicemage View Post
    True, forgot about abuse. Harder to tell now since ladder decay has been going on so long, but if full games listings is working it's easy to check then by just viewing and seeing if they have a bunch of games where they lose in 0 minutes.
    You haven't been able to check that in forever

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