Speechless.... what a display of luck

2x claws of attack 12 + claws of attack 9 + orb of lightning + kodo aura = +47...

Nonetheless, lucifron scoffs at this mere +47 (which at times was also +48 for some reason)

Ugh, Tricksta played so well!! But what can you do against 350+ crits...

Friggin lolmaster solves.

Tricksta played well, pity the scourge couldn't prevail against the green ranger.

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WHAT THE SHIT MAN

Nah you need tinker to get dps out (goblins) dr won't even do anything because they are casting disenchant periodically to get rid of curse/frost armor, same goes for dl and with people at such a level sleep is so easy to counter and cl's impale conflicts with possession.

also nice wall between shees/fiends and said lolmaster

It's actually plus 54 because kodo would have made that claw add 7 dmg therefore hes better than lucifron

Lvl 4 BM + 5 SH holding off entire UD army. That's balanced.

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yeah but then that would screw the NE v UD matchup even more. NE needs pots on dh to last more than 5 seconds in a battle

FS does great for the Orc and is more fun to play/watch. Say that from personal experience.

I, and many other orc players would love to use FS in serious matches, but the wolves actually become a problem. They give far too much exp and are rather frail at low levels. In comparison to water elementals, they are not even close to being cost effective, imo.

As for the DH needing mad invul pots, anti magic potions work just as well for the frail little Demon Hunter

amazing crit :O
and wat a turn around :P

very lucky orc
great game

I think the only way to fix this crap is to have claws and circlets not stack. As an undead player this wouldn't bother me in the least, but I'm sure orcs would cry.

I was watching this 8x speed and I swear to god at one point the BM 2-shotted an abom. I really feel sorry for any undead that has to deal with this crap -_-. Really respect undead players even more.

UD isn't the only race that has to play against blademaster

@BoX yea but i don't feel any pity for elves or races that just abuse towers *cough* ^^

lol poor tricksta, played so well too

I was praying for the UD win, that's so lame... almost 400 hit... wtf

The UD shouldnt have let the orc creep BOTH red camps. Also, lich with +53 would be just as imba. That hero killing power would be better than Orcs. UD can frost armour and coil, while all orc can do is a healing wave which heals less than a level 3 coil. I dont see what UD players complain about. Tricksta dominated him early with frost armour. more palyers should abuse frost armour rather than complaining when they let an orc creep the map and get the items that the creeps drop.

"did you not see 2 heroes and burrows defeat 60+ food ud army?"

qft

ChyeaMan you are just like all the other idiots that try to fix orc vs ud, this would seriously fuck up the Orc vs NE and ORC vs HU games, they are about 50 50 atm but would be seriously in HU and NEs favour if these "balances" were implemented. Leave balancing the match up to people who understand the game please

Watch it again if need be. Despite BM's INCREDIBLE IMBANESS, Tricksta completely had this game, but pysko snuck a few peons out and got an expo up. It's beyond me how UD allowed this to happen, have a shade there permanently. He had the game in the palm of his hands with 68-28 food advantage. Psyko had absolutely NO chance unless he snuck an expo up, and if UD saw this he would've been able to stop him at will. Then UD camps outside his base while reeping in gold from his expo therefore choking Psyko out, but no, he ALLOWS Psyko to expo up.

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read this quote:

''did you not see 2 heroes and burrows defeat 60+ food ud army? ''
DID YOU NOT SEE TWO HEROES AND BURROWS DEFEAT A SIXTY FOOD UNDEAD ARMY WITH ORB, 3 HEROES AND A LVL 4 DK?
DID YOU NOT?
Stop being such a fucking apologist.

Quit talking you silly scrub

I'll repeat

two heroes soloing 60 food

who the fuck goes dranger 3rd over tinker 3rd when you go banshees?
Then again, you dont know anything about this game.

omfg that was really painfull to watch :S

l3gend:
-do you not agree that 10 food beating a 60 food t3 ud army with tri hero and orb is ridiculous?
-Tinker 3rd is the cookie cutter when going banshees. TeD goes tinker third everytime he goes banshees...guess hes a noob.
-no, no he had not lost the game by that point. he had an expo, and the orc JUST got an expo up WHILE BEING FOURTY FOOD DOWN. This is not possible in ANY other matchup.
-I think banshees would have still died in one hit no matter where they were positioned. So this wasn't a normal hit and run. it was paramount to high lvl mk/blm (or mk/pal, mk/pal/blm) shenanigans except even better because the damage is dealt with ww so easier to hit even protected units in the back/middle of army (shees); in these cases its a one hit kill. It is a hit and run that the ud can physically do nothing about.

Then the orc takes a THIRD base while STILL being food down -- his two heroes giving him complete mapcontrol vs an entire 60-70 food scary t3 ud army.

This reminds me of 6dh 6panda vs human. but yeah...it was pretty disgusting as an RTS fan.

map control? UD had map control but didnt use it. and the fights didnt last long because orc had to heal, and if youre talking about fight at end then look at hero levels and that explains all. The simple fact is you cant let an orc creep that much. level 5 5 is gonna rape, esp if they get all the maps best items

he's trying to say that even though orc was able to expo twice 20 food to 70 while ud knew it was going on, ud somehow had map control while being occupied by bm/sh picking off units (via oneshot method) repeatedly and keeping the ud occupied and unable to cancel the expo.

what a bunch of fucking whiners..

^yeah its really new that ud plays better and loses in ud vs orc.
btw if possesed units gave experience he wouldve won imo. a 5/5 dk lich would solve, but its not like this and when you creep so much big camps and have so much imba items (if he had +4 str +4 agil he would still win) and stronger heroes, you will win.
stop crying just because bm had high crits, fucking cry babies

he escaped cos orc was lagging.

good game, I think you all are underestimating the orc in this. Yeah "imba master" whatever. If you didn't know it's not that easy to fend off a push like that.
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34 food v 60 army.

Spirit link to the peons, burrows, lvl 4 bm, lvl 4 sh, spirit walkers and a random raider thrown in from the beastiary.

Oh and not to mention upgraded burrows

it took foresight for psyko to upgrade those burrows, how often do you see an orc do that?

Psyko had to delicately play a balance between harassing enough not to get his bm focused down and killed to not losing his base.

It's not an easy situation to micro regardless of who you are a small mistake and you're dead.

You guys act like it's easy for an orc to just destroy undead but it's really not, you have to know how to time your pushes and what to ensnare and how to pick your battles.

Ud should not have picked that battle at orcs base. He stayed way to long should have pulled out expo'd and counter expo'd psyko. End of story. Not saying tricksta didn't play amazing. But this game isn't orc imbalance this game's pro's trying to outthink eachother in a massive game of micro/strategy. Orc used the tools given to him to win. ei bm, sh combo. Did you not see how easy ud focused down orcs units? If bm wasn't so "imba" how could orc have won this? or even had a chance for that matter?

Look at it this way. In the past 2 years, orc players have accounted for 66% of finalists or winners at major War3 tourneys. There has NOT been a UD winner, only TeD making the finals twice (5%).

If THAT doesn't scream imbalance, then WTF.

http://www.esportsfrance.com/actualites/18931/

Am I the only one who saw the bm get a bunch of tomes too? he got like +5-6 agi, 2-3 str and some intel from them... he crept most the maps and got most of the items thats how I see it.

No, UD players just need to learn to adapt to BM. UD has the ability to shut out a BM, just most UDs dont do it. This game is prime example until he let orc creep. frost armour >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORC

Tricksta shouldn’t have let Psyko creep the entire map. I’m not going to try to claim that Psyko played well. (Pulling off of the 4hp DK was hilarious!) I’m also not going to claim that +39 worth of claws wasn’t lucky. But I have less sympathy for Tricksta once I saw how Psyko got the claws. Maybe there really was lag, maybe it was just an excuse, but for whatever reason Tricksta outplayed Psyko every fight (except the last), and played worse than Psyko whenever they weren’t fighting. Psyko missed EVERY single thing he went after in the first fight. He lost even more when he tried (for some incomprehensible reason) to push Tricksta’s base. But Tricksta was perfectly happy to sit in his base and let Psyko creep the red right in front of him. It really was Tricksta’s choice between the first claws +12 or a game winning creepjack, and he decided not to follow the opponent that he had been dominating out of his base. Why? Second claws +12 were also earned. Tricksta could have crept the red, but decided to walk around the map (for some strange reason), while Psyko took the second healing well. Then, post-TP, he doesn’t even try to respond. Tricksta could see Psyko creeping it, and he decides to waste even more time by walking to the red which was already crept, because he refused to check the opponent’s heroes for items.

You know what else is imbal? Having your secondary hero (at least) a full level above the opponent’s primary at all times. I don’t want to reduce the game to creepcraft, especially since Tricksta played so much better than Psyko during the fights, but I don’t tolerate people who describe a massive item (and xp) imbalance as lucky when one side is allowed to creep the entire map. Item luck is when one player nets an early game Book of the Dead against the opponent’s Flute in an Orc v Orc mirror. The claws +39 was lucky, because there is a difference between a legitimate item advantage (from creeping both reds and both wells and more of the map) and getting the absolute best item every time, but the comments here seem to suggest that it is unbelievable that Psyko should have any sort of advantage for creeping everything. But lets talk directly about – what I will admit is – Psycho’s very lucky claws +39.

Someone else can go get the real numbers, but I’ll just use ludicrously high values to prove the point. Suppose the probability of claws +12 is 40%, claws +9 and +6 is 50%. 0.4*0.4*0.5*0.5=0.04 Lets be very clear, complaining about this game means you are complaining that there is an imbalance in 4% of the games where one opponent is allowed to creep (almost) the entire map. This doesn’t negate the fact that BM might very well be broken in this situation (yes, the 396 crit was sick), but there is a lot of crying going on over a situation that very, very rarely occurs. If you want to know how to begin to fix that imbalance as UD, start by not letting your opponent creep everything. (After all, I never try to creep the center of LT early, or take the tomes of XP off the map A.S.A.P on Twisted, or buy try to buy boots and scrolls first on Echo, or take the wards on Turtle, because nothing is more pro than refusing to take high priority creeps.) And, it isn’t clear that +39 would have even held the game without the two belts and the massive SH level advantage and the (unchecked) second expo.

Luck pulled poor play through in an extremely rare scenario, so what?

2 heros beating a 60 food army is nothing new, I myself have beaten an 80 food army with 3 heros alone. But dam people are raggging!!

btw possessing units giving you exp is HILARIOUS. You could just fucking mass banshee take over a big ass land army and BAM 2 lvl 6 heros, game over.